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Old February 16th, 2012, 06:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Anatol Trident 6/8 year 2000 optical safety sensor missing

I hate to see anyone bypass a safety devise. If you feel you must bypass the OEM switch that may be tripped by a shirt being loaded maybe use a pull switch with a safety wire. You could probably get away with one switch and a cable. This way you would have some degree of protection between you the pallet and serious injury or death. But this is still not the way the mfg intended to run the machine and in no way am I suggesting running the machine any different.

Here's a quick link to what I'm talking about.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#cable-pull-switches/=ga1b3g
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Old February 16th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #32 (permalink)
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This is the wiring on the other side of where the sensors plug in on the connector block. This wiring should be in place on your machine, correct? You'd only missing the sensors and wiring to the other side of the block.

What's in the first pic below is the way it was wired from the factory with the red wire on the top of the block in that position. Check to see if yours looks just like this before proceeding to the second pic.



This is where I unplugged the red wire from the block and connected it in with the black wire in the bottom right of the block to ground it. This is the wire going to the main board telling the machine that everything is ok, no sensors tripped, even if there are no sensors plugged in the other side.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I hate to see anyone bypass a safety devise. If you feel you must bypass the OEM switch that may be tripped by a shirt being loaded maybe use a pull switch with a safety wire. You could probably get away with one switch and a cable. This way you would have some degree of protection between you the pallet and serious injury or death. But this is still not the way the mfg intended to run the machine and in no way am I suggesting running the machine any different.

Here's a quick link to what I'm talking about.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#cable-pull-switches/=ga1b3g
I agree and should have put a disclaimer at the very least of "do at your own risk". The optical sensors on my press came to me with one reflector placed centrally with both sensors pointing at it, basically bypassed unless you reach your arm under the main control panel toward the center of the machine.

I guess I could have remounted reflectors out toward the end of station one and ten and re-aim the sensors. I have heard though of the problematic nature of the sensors so I opted not to. I'm overly cautious around the press and don't enter between the arms with the clevis engaged.

A bump bar that trips a limit switch would also be an easy solution.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I understand the risk and am looking to gain a understanding of how the sensor wiring works. I would like to install the safety bar type in the optical sensors place. Thanks Musterbom
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Old March 7th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #35 (permalink)
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See pic below. The two cables coming in are from the sensors.

Sensors have arrived but I am not sure about the wiring. The colors of the wires are Pink, Black, Blue and Brown. All the same colors as @musterdoms except for the pink which is the issue. Anyone have any input on wiring this NPN retroreflective sensor to the contacts. sensor is a Omron E3F2 R4C4. pics are attached thanks.




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pink = white. Confirm that the wiring on your other side of the connector block looks like my pic, hook them up and see!
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Old March 15th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #37 (permalink)
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So, I have the sensors installed and they seem to be working fine. The press will now index, table up/down and test print fine. The problem I am having now is when machine is in auto mode the table wont raise/lower and index. The led light on control panel for table up down turns on and off on its own after each print head cycle but table doesn't raise and is not indexing. Anyone have any ideas? I have the Anatol operator manual for the press but it is not very detailed. What does F1, F2, F3 ect. do?
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Old March 15th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Try this guy. He and his boss have been servicing Anatols longer than most of the people that work for Anatol and they know a ton about those machines.

Service Manager- Manny Varela
Email: [email address]
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Old March 15th, 2012, 09:35 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Yep, what Alan said. It's time for the big guns. Sounds like more than a loose wire to fix that problem. There are a ton of unused buttons on the display that as far as I know have no use and to be honest aren't very intuitively configured. That's my main gripe with the "drill-down" menu system, if you have ALL these function and extra buttons on the control panel, why do I have to drill down to sub menus every time I want to do something?

It's like have a menu bar at the top of a website with 30 options across it, but the only way to navigate is with two of those items via a drop down pop out menu lol.
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Ok, thanks for the advice will be contacting the ots soon about this problem.
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