I Stand With Israel.....

californiadreamin · March 5th, 2012, 10:05 PM

Nuff Said!

winston

Printwizard · March 6th, 2012, 01:54 AM

I prefer the Americans dealing with iran. Unfortunately I think that Israel treat the Palestinians not much better than the nazis treated the Jews during WWII.
I agree the right to as Jewish state, but pushing the boundaries out and persecuting the Arabs in their own land also, denying healthcare, international aid, medicines etc is just baiting and asking for trouble. Killing the civilians on the aid ships in international water was nothing short of piracy. Israel I do agree has the right to nationhood, but needs to be a neighbour that does not create hatred. Not sure how they do that to live together in peace, but they can't bleat history and persecution forever while making their neighbors live in misery and poverty. America helps them so much, always has, but at what cost. 9-11 and the dealing with al-Qaeda. Israeli governments need to also respect any crap they cause costs America in taxes and blood also. It's a selfish onesided relationship. Israel has treated Jordan very well and in return they have had peace. Admittedly Iran is an agressive country and not to be trusted at all, but reflective of a minority population in power, not of the people in general. Sure the world needs to jump on Iran, and I don't think they should have Nukes. But Israel will only inflame the matter more with more countries into a greater religious offensive. The united nations needs to be more involved. Remember George W rushing into iraq on his intelligence. Iraq is not better off for many now than it was before.
It is noted that America never went into Zimbabwe after Mugabe, a butcher dictator. Why, no oil? Why not Russia who bullies it's neighbors, because Putin is too strong? Now Putin is dangerous, perhaps as much as ahmendinejad also, hopefully the people dump him.
The last thing we need is a war right across the middle east, because the traditional allies will get dragged in again and we will all bleed also.

If only all our neighbors were like Canadians and Australians and we could live happily with respect and friendship.

Winston, love your printing posts, but couldn't help voice my opinion even though it will likely upset most people reading this.

inkman996 · March 6th, 2012, 08:08 AM

Wiz I am with you and always have been. Unlike a lot of Americans I have taken the time in the past to truly understand and learn the history behind the creation of Israel and Zionism. Most Americans just assume the Israelis are just peace loving simple folk being terrorized daily when it is far from the truth. There was a time the Palestinians and Jews lived side by side but then the war came and the Jews sequestered all the Palestinians into two little strips of land. Today they continue to encroach on Palestinians land and sacred areas with zero compassion. The Jews never handled their presence in the middle east well and because of it things are just as bad today as back then. You can always find videos being publicly broadcasted of young arabs throwing rocks across the border or at Jewish troops but you never see the young Jews that terrorize the young Palestinians in the same way, hardly ever do you see the bull dozers razing Palestinian lands to create more condos for the wealthy. America would do well to treat Israel with the same contempt as they do the Palestinians.

californiadreamin · March 6th, 2012, 08:10 AM

Printwizard! I too enjoy your post, and see that see that your mind is always
engaged! A good thing! The reason I posted "nuff said" is I too am aware of
the "complex" situation we are all in. Not easy! I will admit, I am not into
"political correctness" and I will not defend bad behavior, stupidity, bad
decisions, from my country,my friends,my neighbors. However they "will know"
without a doubt, without question, weather or not I have their back. Period! I
too enjoy peace! I agree with most of your post. I would love to see the UN
more involved in "world issues" WITHOUT , my money , and have the USA
butt out, without American taxpayer money! This way, we will not have to
replace our screenprinted bags of food that say USA because we don't want
to "offend" the people we are helping! And I am all for them "moving" their
headquarters from NYC to Tehran! Then we would "reclaim" our land,and put
it on the tax role,with midtown condo's. Free up parking in Manhattan from
diplomatic limos being towed, for "unpaid" tickets, and then they could murder
each other with diplomatic immunity! I for one, think it is time for the USA to
worry about the USA, and stop with all of the "political correctness". We help
and support "our friends", and our enemies be damed! And without question,
we would "all" know who "our friends" are, and those who are not!
Printwizard! This is written from a friend!
winston

inkman996 · March 6th, 2012, 08:17 AM

I do not think Israel attacking and destroying Irans nukes is such a bad thing, I would bet that all the other Middle Eastern Nations are just as concerned about the nukes as the Jews. For the most part Middle Eastern nations want peace and do not welcome mass conflict, Iran with operational nukes would almost definitely destabilize the whole area and throw just about any and all middle eastern nation into dissaray, who really wants that? Other than Iran's insane leaders.

srimonogramming · March 6th, 2012, 09:21 AM

I'm not educated enough on foreign relations and especially the history of Israel v. Palestine and the rest of the middle east, the story I've always heard was that we are allies with Israel and they have been mistreated all these years. Whatever the story is, I sure as hell don't trust Iran, and the last thing they need in their hands is a nuclear warhead.

Binkspot · March 6th, 2012, 09:46 AM

IMO Ahmadinejad is trying to fullfill a prophecy noted by Nostradamus about a Sheik with a blue turban in the Middle East starting the third world war right around now.

As far as Iran is concerned they are not stable enough to have Nukes and someone should take them out. For that mater niter is Pakistan and lets not forget about all the unsecured nuclear materials in the USSR and its former states. If you really want to hurt them appeal to India where most of the Iranian oil is refined to stop production. With all the oil Iran has they have limited refinery capacity.

The conflict in the Middle East has been raging for thousands of years and I personally don't think a few peace talks will resolve many if any of the issues. As long as the Jews and Arabs live in close quarters there will always be conflict. Both parties claim the same areas as siginficiant pillars of their religions and both are willing to fight and die to defend it. Neither party is innocent, but if they do want to live with out the constant conflict both have to give a little.

The UN is as useless as **** on a Bull. They need to get out of NY and moved to another Nation. Actually disbanded or reorganized.

Not knocking Israel but lets not forget they have only been a recognized nation for about 70 years.

crazy mike · March 6th, 2012, 09:59 AM

Is this thread a way of talking about Robert and Rich
without using their names?

inkman996 · March 6th, 2012, 10:12 AM

Two Great Historical fiction novels to read about the history of Israel Pre and post WW2 written by an American Jew Leon Uris.

"Exodus" is written from the Jewish point of view and the founding of the Israeli state.

The "Haj" Is written from the Arab point of view which mainly describes the existence of Jews and Arabs living close together and actually helping each other out, but it really explains the out side pressure placed on the Arabs to revolt against the Jews and then their subsequent segregation to the west bank.

The ironic thing is the Palestinians are the only groups to suffer from the wars with Israel, all the out side countries simply lost the war but continue to live in peace and prosperity. Sadly the Palestinians live in area not much better than the Ghettos the Jews had to endure in Europe for hundreds of years.

I personally would like to see Jerusalem turned into a multi national city administered and policed by an out side un biased nation something along the lines of the swiss guard in Vatican.

californiadreamin · March 6th, 2012, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Is this thread a way of talking about Robert and Rich
without using their names?

Sometimes art imitates life or is it the other way around.
Rich runs his country,and some like him,some dont. His
country is relativly peaceful,and has a nice economy. It is
the envy of many. RWB wants Rich to not exist.Some like
this,most dont. Rockets are fired,all to often into the country
of Rich. Rich tells RWB stop or else. RWB says no, you are mistaken.
The spin begins. It happens over and over again. RWB still wants to
destroy the country of Rich,to bring in the dawn of new age of
screenprinting and uses many stupid puppits. The country of,Rich
says enough is enough, and fires the mother of all lawsuits. RWB
cries foul. The rest of the countries in the world, have to support
Rich, and tell RWB change your ways or else, enjoy eating your
nuclear waste.