I Stand With Israel.....

srimonogramming

Good God Almighty, what the hell are we talking about here!

Gilligan

Seems like it's a god d|ck comparing competition at this point.

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Printwizard

My gods d1ck is bigger than your gods d1ck.

My gods Mustang is better than your gods Sportsman.

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californiadreamin

Printwizard!
It looks like a poster hit a nerve.
Like your begining post suggest people would be better off getting along than not!
The "nuffsaid" was for a reason!
Let's return to Defcon 1, #4 is to high for me.
This wonderful website is a petri dish of what the world faces.
I would like to see factual comparison of different machines,supplies in this industry!
Other areas in the "graphic arts" industry, have done this and it pushed the industry
foward. The "screenprinting" side enjoys the bottom tier of the graphic arts industry.
Lack of standardization is one of the reasons. The "offset" industry realized this decades
ago with plate standardazation,etc. The screen print industry has always stayed with
the "craftside" of business, influenced more by craft than standards. Don Newman started
change in thought with the "roller frame", Richard Greeves talked on shop procedure,
Nancy Grey with screen preperation. Unfortunatly the Industry Magazine only gave press
to paying advertising customers, and never encouraged real comparisons. Quasi comparisons, they were full of that! I remember when the magagines were 3/8" thick
grew to over 1" thick, and now hovers around 1/4" thick. Lots of reason why! That's another story. For years I really enjoyed " screenprinters.net" which lies in a "coma"
now. It was torn apart! Sad! People, Competiters were "civil", we then allowed a discourse
of my schlong is bigger tha your schlong. Who effing cares! I for one like to see good dialouge, but keep lies,fighting,distortion,division,striff,untrues,h alftrues an personal
attacks away from the INDUSTRY.
Nuffsaid,
winston

inkman996

Winston I am not sure why you do not participate over on the shirt board, there is some great posts all about machine comparisons going on. Each post is specific to a component which makes it all more organized and to boot its all video! Other than that the site boasts more technical know how than anywhere else excluding m&r forums which is specific mostly to m&r machines.

Just want to point out tho this is the lounge do not be surprised about the type of off beat threads here it's the sand box away from the industry play ground for people to play in.

Winston you have a wealth of knowledge and history you really should contribute on the shirt board it's folks like you that bring out other gurus to participate as well.

californiadreamin

Hello Inkman!
I do go over to the shirt board from time to time! Nice bunch of folks!
I do like the "frog" and others. I learn alot.
That being said I also like the "cats" on this board and like to follow them as well.
I am glad "civility" has returned to this site as well, as I followed it for years as
a "lurker" before it got hijacked. I am for open dialog, of all types as long as it is
not out to slander or hurt someone! Because, I am usually going in the opposite of the
masses(not always) and I always seem to get where I am going in a way that works
for me, and hopefully doesnt hurt others. I like to play in sandboxes, and even get a
little dirty and even get into a "brawl" defending the one that everyone is ganged up
on,(like rugby,old school football) but even I get tired of defending the little ba$tard
when he returns to the sandbox and ****** in the box, and on people just to get a rise,
in the name of diversity.
Wealth of knowledge/ history?
Thank God, it has been a fun run, but I end up generally confusing myself!
History is cool! I see that more and more as people retire,pass away, leave the industry
and they take it with them, and then I see people today reinvent the wheel and claim
it's theirs. Sound familiar?
winston

srimonogramming

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the room where Winston, Rick Fuqua, Rich Hoffman, hell, even Robert Barnes and just listen for a few hours. The knowledge flowing between Winston, Rick and Rich would be something really awesome to tap into. I have a short list of industry guys that when they speak or write something, I go into "sponge mode" and soak up every bit of knowledge that I can, Winston is on that short list of guys.

If I ever win the giant powerball lottery, and if I get a couple hundred million dollars, it would be a dream of mine to purchase M&R, give Rich a hefty seven figure a year salary, hire Winston and Rick and pay them stupid money and just let those guys do what they do and ride the wave. Every year, we'd have our own convention somewhere in the middle of the country, invite all of the industry leaders and companies, competitors and all and let the screen printing shops all over come in and learn and see all the new equipment and test drive everything. We'd have all the presses up and running real jobs, people doing every single process and having customers get hands on experience with whatever tool or machine they are thinking about purchasing, it would be a giant screen printing field day.

I think most trade shows are great and I enjoy going to them all, but they could be so much more for everyone involved. I'd love it if I could go into the Kiwo booth, give them an art file, print it out on their I-jet II, on newman or shurloc frames, take those screens to the M&R booth, set up the 6 color job on a challenger III with the triloc, take whichever ink manufacturer's ink that wants in on this job and start printing. Run the job through the dryer and have some of the print gurus study the print when it's done and critique it for the customer and then give them ways that they could improve the quality of the print. Anyone who wanted to watch and learn would be welcome to tag along and follow the job the entire way through the process. That same job could then go through the same process but using a completely different DTS or inkjet film, different automatic press, registration system, inks, dryer, etc. Then the customer could get an absolute hands on comparison between products and would have so much more information to make a better decision for their business. The entry level customer would stick with entry level equipment and those of us who are interested in DTS machines could get up close with that technology, it would be like screen printing heaven for me.

I know it could never happen like that, but it doesn't hurt to dream big and outlandish does it?

californiadreamin

Alan!
You win the lottery! Give me a call.
Heck I could be your driver and we could talk all day.
Alan, Life is funny! Never say never, And be carefull where and who
you pi$$ on. Because, it will always come around, and you never know
dreams can and do come true!
winston

screenprintguy

WOW, good luck, maybe one day you'll find him, and find out for yourself, I pray that for you!!

inkman996

Who are you talking about?

Hope not me because I am not looking for any god. And I certainly have not asked nor want anyone praying for me.