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Old March 19th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What should a late 2000's M&R Gauntlet 6/8 or 8/10 with Servo and air heads sell for? Especially if it has no flashes or squeegees? Under 1,000,000 imp.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Now that a new M&R Diamondback is servo index and 20 grand it would be tough to pay more than 5 grand to 7 grand for a used 6/8 M&R

The cheaper the new M&R presses get the less resale value they have.

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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Now that a new M&R Diamondback is servo index and 20 grand it would be tough to pay more than 5 grand to 7 grand for a used 6/8 M&R

The cheaper the new M&R presses get the less resale value they have.
What does that have to do Esther's question about an approxiamate value for a gauntlet? And besides a gauntlet and a diamondback or two very different machines.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Was kinda wondering the same thing myself. I've been in the industry awhile now,but never really looked at M&R to closely. All the different models are a bit confusing, M&R is not my first choice but the used press market is flooded with only M&R. Unfortunately or fortunately, not sure how to look at it yet, we are in the market for a second machine. I honestly think the dback is a little week for what we are running. That fancy touch display would be toast the first time one of the guys gets ******. I can just see it now.
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Old March 20th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Make sure to check the relationship of the main shaft to table bushings, there are a lot of M&R presses on the market lately that have the main bronze bushing worn out with less than 1,000,000 impressions.
Keep in mind that replacing the main shaft bushings requires tearing the entire machine apart (est cost 10 grand or more with labor and transport)

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The M&R Diamondback seems like a strange bird, there was another guy who posted that his Diamondback order was at a 9 week leadtime, then it was explained that there were 30 presses ahead of his.
This is where the strange bird gets stranger, logic and math are fun:

30 Diamondbacks at 20 grand each = 600 grand

30 Diamondbacks at 40 grand each = 1.2 mil

If 9 weeks = approx 1 mil
That's only 5.5 mil a year in Dbacks

However if the normal leadtime is 4 to 6 weeks it would suggest that the real number might be more inline with 3 mil a year

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Old March 20th, 2012, 08:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The M&R Diamondback seems like a strange bird, there was another guy who posted that his Diamondback order was at a 9 week leadtime, then it was explained that there were 30 presses ahead of his.
This is where the strange bird gets stranger, logic and math are fun:

30 Diamondbacks at 20 grand each = 600 grand

30 Diamondbacks at 40 grand each = 1.2 mil

If 9 weeks = approx 1 mil
That's only 5.5 mil a year in Dbacks

However if the normal leadtime is 4 to 6 weeks it would suggest that the real number might be more inline with 3 mil a year


The strange math is I gave 150k to " you " Robert Barnes and you stole 80k and I never received my 16 color Printex Prism ll and then you started to sell the Mustang through www.screenprintgear.com
You are now being sued by M&R and you have the BALL's to try and do math. Leon said you stole 150k from him. Your math doesn't add up!

15 Printex in the usa in about 2+ years and everyone has problem's and the Mustang leaks more hot air than you. So what about M&R again???
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Is this still and issue with M&R presses? I recall hearing similar complaints in the early 2000's. Seems like the problem would have been taken care of by now. Is a brass bushing the best way to go? I've always liked the design of the javelin no bushing just good old timkin bearings.
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The strange math is I gave 150k to " you " Robert Barnes and you stole 80k and I never received my 16 color Printex Prism ll and then you started to sell the Mustang through www.screenprintgear.com
You are now being sued by M&R and you have the BALL's to try and do math. Leon said you stole 150k from him. Your math doesn't add up!

15 Printex in the usa in about 2+ years and everyone has problem's and the Mustang leaks more hot air than you. So what about M&R again???
How do you know it's him?

http://hidemyass.com/vpn/

He's a pro and has clearly gone stealth on all of us. It's not like people will be able to tell its him based on his post history and agenda....wait...
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Make sure to check the relationship of the main shaft to table bushings, there are a lot of M&R presses on the market lately that have the main bronze bushing worn out with less than 1,000,000 impressions.
Keep in mind that replacing the main shaft bushings requires tearing the entire machine apart (est cost 10 grand or more with labor and transport)
I've never heard that this was an ongoing issue on M&R presses of any year, only falcons that were sold around the time of Bergmann's acquisition of Progressive. What do you mean by a lot? You heard about one from a friend of a friend and you then assume it's a whole bunch of them or you know of two and you automatically run with it and say there have been a lot? I'd love to see documentation of this or hell, actual customers of these machines that have the main bronze bushings worn out.
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