Not to ruffle feathers, BUT M&R vs. MHM

screenprintguy

Also, there is a video up of it on youtube, a good point to be made. Anyone who has done any oversized printing knows that your biggest challenge on press is dealing with the pressure over the seams. I can't see how any of the mhm models can conquer that issue. I know from watching the recent M&R plant tour that Rich did, you see them building print heads for an Alpha for oversized printing, and he shows how the re-design that head specifically for oversized printing by placing the chopper cylinders right over the outer seam. Huuuuuuuuuuuuge game changer for someone looking at presses that have the ability to do larger print formats. To me, the only seriously cool feature about the MHM press is the fact that the print arms can be raise out of your way, that's really the only feature that always grabs my attention, but, buying a sophisticated machine, built in another country and soley rep'd by only 1 company with only a couple techs to cover the entire US is very scary. I'm sure the machines are built very well and run great, but like anything, you will eventually need help and any sized business knows that they need to think ahead and know that they are investing in equipment backed by a company that will be there. Even if you buy M&R from a dealership, you still have direct contact and service with the manufacturer. Everyone has seen in this past year or so that buying a techy piece of gear from and small US based office, that is actually built in Europe can be a disaster if you have an issue. I know we can't bank our business on anything like that. Not to mention, the way this economy has been the last few years, why wouldn't anyone here in the US want to totally support a US based manufacturer, especially the same people who are always complaining that we printers lose out on so much over seas'd outsourcing. Same thing applies to screen printing equipment. We aren't talking cars, or motorcycles, or tv's, we are talking about, "Our" industry, maybe a little USA unity can help strengthen the industry. Sorry just my Friday afternoon dribble, but bottom line, sitting back and watching everyone go back and forth for the past year and a half about what machine to buy, bla bla bla, the people who tried ended up turning to M&R to bail them out and M&R bailed them out because that's what they do, support the screen printers, bottom line.

Thanks for all the support Rich!! We surely appreciate it!

Mike and Niki

alclpost

Price of the press, film positioning unit, flashes, crating, ect. is a bit north of 100K...

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pushing ink

Take it from the guy who made the worst deal in 2011... ME!

Make a list of pros and cons and pick the one that works for you. I wanted to switch brands and it cost me around 150k, 80k was just stolen and the rest was on unproven equipment with no support or parts , just one fat a s s liar!

I ended up buying M&R and have had zero problems . Good Luck!!

californiadreamin

I can understand a major purchase like this!
I think you are on a fishing expedition, by some of the statements you,
have made, I could be wrong,but I doubt it. You already own two autos,
from two good manufacturers. How many people on this board, are you
going to get, that have the new MHM that you are interested in? Nada!
Serious MHM buyers do not come on digitsmith for answers.(my opinion)
You don't like your M&R rep? The owner of M&R is on here daily,and I presume
you havn't taken time to reach out to him with your issues! Based on his postings, I haven't seen him bite someone for wanting to do business with his
company! And you have given very limited info on your needs! Why so?
Good Comparisons on Products are Needed! But, Is is very important to compare
more than just the looks, of any machine.It should be done in a straight, foward, honest,method.
Again,not wanting to ruffle your feathers,
winston

Short Squeegee

I think a guy should be able to come on an industry forum and ask tough questions, even if the majority don't agree, isn't that what a forum is really about?
Not a bunch of guys huddled together protecting their narrow view of an industry!

screenprintguy

You are exactly right, you are just getting experiences and feed back by those who have asked the same exact questions as you are asking now, and were led if not almost led down , "other's" paths. It's not about hey man, buy this or you aren't cool, it's more like, hey bro, take the advice of those who have tried the other flavor and got sick to their stomachs, only to realize the should have stuck with the flavor that is there for you. Now that being said, I personally am speaking from a US based standpoint. Sure if you live in Europe, you may have a different view since the other companies are based there and probably have more support, or if you were in Australia, you would more than likely feel way comfortable going with TAS since that's their home base of operation. Either way , I've been on the other side saying hey I have Blue gear, but am not a "Blue Baller", but now that more time has gone by, and I'ver personally seen and experienced some of what the other side has, or tried to offer, Blue all the way. I need to know when I go to sleep at night that I can open my shop the next day and have piece of mind that the company backing my gear hasn't switched to a different flavor for the next month. M&R is there for their customers, bottom line! Nobody should be bashing you for asking questions, they are all good, we've all made them, but at the end of the day, everyone wants to help you make the best choice that you can make, even if you chose another brand, these guys would all still support you, that's been proven.

pushing ink

As long as they don't buy from you, Robert, they will be ok!

Short Squeegee

Hey, I got no beef with you being a "Blue Baller" or a "BrownTurder" or a "Red Lover" or any other name people can come up, my beef is with the idea that everyone on here is always accused of having an ulterior motive to some grand agenda. If this guy thinks MHM is better than M&R then when he puts his hard earned money down to buy an MHM that is his choice. Sure people think we are nuts for not buying M&R but we have always wanted an RPM ever since Alan posted pictures and video years ago and now that the 2M people are building a better version in the Mustang we are going to strongly consider it, no matter how many time the owner of M&R or you for that matter call the machine a SCAM or CRAP or anything other than a really nice machine that people love and love to hate the guy associated with it.

Just my 2 sense of 2 cents.

We think SCAM and CRAP are funny acronyms:

SCAM Screen Churning Automatic Machines

CRAP Controlled Registering Automatic Press

We still might buy an M&R but just like this guy weighing his options between M&R and MHM we are going to investigate the pros and cons balance between M&R and the Mustang. Hopefully you guys can respect our viewpoint, but if you can't then my other post is even more accurate.

screenprintguy

Any machine you buy will be a good machine, they all are, it all boils down to what you expect in the way of support. Ask around the forums, the dial always points in a certain direction for the best support with solid equipment, best of luck to you either way!

inkman996

Hmmm no ne here smells a ascertain <deleted> rat??????