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Any machine you buy will be a good machine, they all are, it all boils down to what you expect in the way of support. Ask around the forums, the dial always points in a certain direction for the best support with solid equipment, best of luck to you either way!
Respectfully Mike, I disagree. There are some turds out there, and some lemons from those you wouldn't expect. Choose from only 3-4 good manufacturers and you'll likely be fine, with the occasional lemon from at least one of those 4. This is the truth and for any of you that want to think that us forum cowboys are just trying to stir s h I t up, there is only one company that you can buy a press from and know that 100% you will get a very solid machine along with the best service after the sale. The other good manufacturers fall very short in most every other category after the quality and features of the press. It's really that simple. The competition builds decent machines, but machines break down and have issues so what's going to happen when that does? You might get taken care of 70-80% of the time with several of the manus or 99% of the time with número UNO.
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You have a lot more time in this then I do Alan, so you've seen and heard a lot more for sure! I spent the last 5 years talking to different press operators, shop owners ect about their gear, lots of different brands, everyone running successful print shops, doing great work, but with that said, and I'm big enough to admit that I looked elsewhere too, my final choice is M&R. I looked elsewhere purely being a cheap-O. Letting someone else in the industry tell me that you should be able to get more for less. That would be nice, but bottom line, you get what you pay for. When I say that no matter what you buy, you'll get a good machine. I mean just that. Everything is nice when it is brand new, but, what is built to last is a whole different story. The proof is in the pudding as they say and anyone can look around and see what's running in shops that is up to 20 years old or so. I bet it's blue =}. There are cool machines out there, but when you are talking about spending over 50,000 bucks for something, at least me, I want to know it's worth 50k. Anyone looking at machines and has been doing the research will get a better appreciation for what they do at M&R and how they care about what they do by looking up the factory tour videos that have been recently posted. I now know why Rich takes such a personal approach to every situation. From a guy with a sidewinder manual, to a guy with a 20 color Challenger 3, he cares about the equipment running the way he intended it to. You are probably right Alan about lemons and machines that don't make it past the break in point, I'm just thankful we didn't end up in one of those situations. We were allllllmost talked into trading our M&R gear for pintex stuff a couple years back and after seeing how things ended up for most of the guys who went that route, I'm glad we stayed with what we have. It gave us another couple of years to learn more, see more, and appreciate how solid and reliable our machine is. It's paid off in 2 more months, clear sailing from there, and then, when the business warrants it, we will add, but until then, we will keep fine tuning as we go. If I had to, at the very least, which I have done, is hop on the M&R forum with a quick question and Rich himself answers within an hour, most of the time, 5-10 minutes, but an hour tops and they have been minor issues, but I do hear about guys with software issues on their MHM machines, or Anatol machines that sometimes wait a whole day to get a call back and then hear that it may take a few days to express ship a part from Europe to fix, that would be a nightmare to a small shop relying on that 1 piece of gear. Either way, good luck to the guy, if he is even shopping from a press and it's not just an alias, if it's an alias, it's pretty sad for that person to still be in this low chapter of their life and career.
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Well my original intention was NOT to start a mud slinging fest here, but it seems like that is all that can consistently be done. That is too bad. This post will probably be long and I will sling some mud myself. I apologize a head of time.
I posted here twice for serious questions. First time a got a few answers that were relevant, the rest was like grade school kids calling each other names. I posted here because ever since the good old days of TSPMB there has not been a good forum. Yes, I could go to the M&R forum and hear wonderful things about M&R and hear a lot of one sided information(kinda like what has happened here). T-shirtforums.com was a option, they are 600% nicer. But I feel like(please do not get me wrong here, there is some great information there and some true professionals from around the world, and I respect Rodney for what he has done there) on there I would be talking to guys printing on a 1 station 2 color tabletop press in their moms basement. That or someone who is going to "make it" with their new clothing line, they just need the promo code for jiffyshirts.com again. While I don't intend to knock those people, good for them for trying something. They are just not the "experienced" user I am looking for opinions or facts from. This site seems to do a high volume of classified posts with some nice equipment, so I figured some of those users might use the forum also. Guess not, as I have been informed that "Serious MHM buyers do not come on digitsmith for answers." Sorry about that, can you please point me in the right direction then? That way I can let you get back to bickering here. Here are the facts and details, it seems if everything is not spelled out to a T the ASSumptions start running wild here.

-What I wanted to know(thought I was somewhat clear originally but guess not) Does M&R make a auto press with AC heads, servo indexing, print area of 20inches x 28inches, and head/print arm high lift for cleaning/inspecting.

-I do NOT own a M&R anything, never said I did. I did say "We currently have a M&R/Anatol/every other company style auto." Because 95% of the presses you see here in the US are the same style, print arms stay stationary, print head and table move. While there are HUGE differences with how service and the companys are run, the concept of the presses are all very similar.

-Is my name/identity a alias? Yes, sort of. I have not given exact name and details because as soon as that goes out the sales reps are all over you. Already had that experience, I do not have time for it again. Plus, it is VERY annoying.

-I could of asked my local M&R rep these questions yes. However the rep that works directly for M&R(I'm guessing a regional sales rep/account manager) that some time comes out with the local guy who's company sells M&R, has bad mouthed other equipment company's on numerous occasions. Don't get me wrong, there are some horrible companies out there, I have dealt with one. But I find it tacky and poor ethics/skill to bad mouth the competition. Let your product do the selling. Now my local rep who's company sells M&R is a very nice guy and I can't imagine him harming a fly. That makes it hard for me to deal with him a lot of the time. He will randomly show up and have a very soft sell and want to chat. That doesn't sound so bad but, he is so nice I have a hard time telling him to "leave, I don't have time to chat we are very busy and please don't come back unless I call you or we schedule a time."
I knew Rich checked out this board so he might of chimed in and answered my question, after all this was a question about a $100K+ potential sale. Well, I was right- kind of. While Rich did chime in, he simply said something about how the MHM did not look like it could handle a print size as advertised. Oh, and how could I forget, there was the very professional crack about me being some kind of a collector... Thanks for answering my question though! This brings me to my next thing....

-M&R may be great, but I very much dislike their tactics and methods. I have experienced some of their reps at shows to be very cocky. A lot of times they will underhandedly slam competitors- once again let your product do the talking. This is understandable, as I have heard Rich do it many times(off the top of my head, in some of the factory tour videos it happens). The last thing that drives me crazy about M&R is it seems like they are always suing someone. I HATE that. America uses the courts to settle recess fights. Rich, please do not take this as a personal attack on your character, I am sure you are a great guy, you obviously know how to keep customers happy and produce a nice product. While I do not doubt or disagree that M&R makes one heck of a machine, probably in the top 3 if not higher, and their service from popular opinion(which in this case I believe) is the best- worldwide. I know a guy that is the equipment buyer for a large printing company in Vietnam who prints for a bunch of the big mall stores, he wouldn't buy anything but a M&R(I don't remember exactly how many autos he has 10 or so I believe). A lot of the "big" shops out there run M&R, I know. It is usually difficult to find complaints about their machines or service.
With all of that said, there is only one reason I considered(it was in 4th place on my list) buying a M&R. Made in the USA. It is supporting a lot of jobs in the heartland, and I am one of the few out there that will pay a bit more for some good old US merchandise- as long as we are comparing apples to apples.
Here is where everyone will chime in about support... I have two machines that the company that manufacturers them probably can't even spell "support". Because of this I have had to adapt. I am very fortunate to have 4 very close friends that are various types of engineers, a relative that has over 35 years of ironwork experience, and a father that has been in charge of overseeing manufacturing of components with tolerances in the realm of .0001 of a inch. Those coupled with a great independent local tech that can work on close to anything, I have been able to have any problems solved rather quickly without manufacturer support. I am not saying I would turn away support from a manufacturer by any means, it would be a welcomed change! But I have been able to make it so far.

I don't doubt this post will draw some "reactions" you guys can have fun with that. I don't intend to get into any of the bickering or respond unless there is an ACTUAL response to my original question. I'll try to check out other boards, heck maybe I'll get lucky and find one where "serious MHM buyers" can answer a question! Rich- if you guys have a machine that fits my needs let me know, I'm interested. Then you can make me a believer, yes, I'll drink the Kool-Aid. Plus I won't have to use this stupid "alias" anymore. You will have my name, location, phone number, federal tax ID number and probably some other things. Seems like you need to provide that sort of stuff on this site to get any sort of answer...
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Well my original intention was NOT to start a mud slinging fest here, but it seems like that is all that can consistently be done. That is too bad. This post will probably be long and I will sling some mud myself. I apologize a head of time.
The industry has become one sided look around all the large ink suppliers sell M&R if you go on any industry forum and discuss anything negative about M&R you will be attacked! Why? because it is not in the best financial interest of "the majority" for you to be allowed to speak negatively about M&R.

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I posted here twice for serious questions. First time a got a few answers that were relevant, the rest was like grade school kids calling each other names. I posted here because ever since the good old days of TSPMB there has not been a good forum. Yes, I could go to the M&R forum and hear wonderful things about M&R and hear a lot of one sided information(kinda like what has happened here). T-shirtforums.com was a option, they are 600% nicer. But I feel like(please do not get me wrong here, there is some great information there and some true professionals from around the world, and I respect Rodney for what he has done there) on there I would be talking to guys printing on a 1 station 2 color tabletop press in their moms basement. That or someone who is going to "make it" with their new clothing line, they just need the promo code for jiffyshirts.com again. While I don't intend to knock those people, good for them for trying something. They are just not the "experienced" user I am looking for opinions or facts from. This site seems to do a high volume of classified posts with some nice equipment, so I figured some of those users might use the forum also. Guess not, as I have been informed that "Serious MHM buyers do not come on digitsmith for answers." Sorry about that, can you please point me in the right direction then? That way I can let you get back to bickering here. Here are the facts and details, it seems if everything is not spelled out to a T the ASSumptions start running wild here.
This forum has the opportunity to be better than TSPMB ever was but unfortunately it has went the way of the school girl in a blue dress. {said with a stern italian mafia voice} M&R is the only way to print a t-shirt, got it? GOOD now that "that is out of the way" What would you like to know? we are here to help

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-What I wanted to know(thought I was somewhat clear originally but guess not) Does M&R make a auto press with AC heads, servo indexing, print area of 20inches x 28inches, and head/print arm high lift for cleaning/inspecting.
Yes they do, it is called the Alpha 8 it doesn't lift up like the MHM drive assembly but it does lift the entire head and screen. If you are interested in an alternative to the Alpha 8 google Marcodie. I would post some videos of their machine but this post would then be deleted or edited, apparently you are not allowed to promote products other than M&R here. Try posting some YouTube videos of other brands and watch what happens, you will automatically be accused of being the one that is not to be mentioned, really pathetic how much control M&R has here.

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-I do NOT own a M&R anything, never said I did. I did say "We currently have a M&R/Anatol/every other company style auto." Because 95% of the presses you see here in the US are the same style, print arms stay stationary, print head and table move. While there are HUGE differences with how service and the companys are run, the concept of the presses are all very similar.
You are right they are all similar but some are better than others, 2M builds the best machine from a USA company and they are all fully assembled right here in Chicago, I am certain this will now get deleted.

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-Is my name/identity a alias? Yes, sort of. I have not given exact name and details because as soon as that goes out the sales reps are all over you. Already had that experience, I do not have time for it again. Plus, it is VERY annoying.
M&R has created this type of environment within our industry and you can thank Rich Hoffman directly for that, the same nonsense you witness on these forums is exponentially magnified out in the street during the sales process the trade shows are the worst for this type of tactics.

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-I could of asked my local M&R rep these questions yes. However the rep that works directly for M&R(I'm guessing a regional sales rep/account manager) that some time comes out with the local guy who's company sells M&R, has bad mouthed other equipment company's on numerous occasions. Don't get me wrong, there are some horrible companies out there, I have dealt with one. But I find it tacky and poor ethics/skill to bad mouth the competition. Let your product do the selling. Now my local rep who's company sells M&R is a very nice guy and I can't imagine him harming a fly. That makes it hard for me to deal with him a lot of the time. He will randomly show up and have a very soft sell and want to chat. That doesn't sound so bad but, he is so nice I have a hard time telling him to "leave, I don't have time to chat we are very busy and please don't come back unless I call you or we schedule a time."
I knew Rich checked out this board so he might of chimed in and answered my question, after all this was a question about a $100K+ potential sale. Well, I was right- kind of. While Rich did chime in, he simply said something about how the MHM did not look like it could handle a print size as advertised. Oh, and how could I forget, there was the very professional crack about me being some kind of a collector... Thanks for answering my question though! This brings me to my next thing....
Well, they usually accuse you of being "you know who" so you got off easy "this time"

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-M&R may be great, but I very much dislike their tactics and methods. I have experienced some of their reps at shows to be very cocky. A lot of times they will underhandedly slam competitors- once again let your product do the talking. This is understandable, as I have heard Rich do it many times(off the top of my head, in some of the factory tour videos it happens). The last thing that drives me crazy about M&R is it seems like they are always suing someone. I HATE that. America uses the courts to settle recess fights. Rich, please do not take this as a personal attack on your character, I am sure you are a great guy, you obviously know how to keep customers happy and produce a nice product. While I do not doubt or disagree that M&R makes one heck of a machine, probably in the top 3 if not higher, and their service from popular opinion(which in this case I believe) is the best- worldwide. I know a guy that is the equipment buyer for a large printing company in Vietnam who prints for a bunch of the big mall stores, he wouldn't buy anything but a M&R(I don't remember exactly how many autos he has 10 or so I believe). A lot of the "big" shops out there run M&R, I know. It is usually difficult to find complaints about their machines or service.
With all of that said, there is only one reason I considered(it was in 4th place on my list) buying a M&R. Made in the USA. It is supporting a lot of jobs in the heartland, and I am one of the few out there that will pay a bit more for some good old US merchandise- as long as we are comparing apples to apples.
Here is where everyone will chime in about support... I have two machines that the company that manufacturers them probably can't even spell "support". Because of this I have had to adapt. I am very fortunate to have 4 very close friends that are various types of engineers, a relative that has over 35 years of ironwork experience, and a father that has been in charge of overseeing manufacturing of components with tolerances in the realm of .0001 of a inch. Those coupled with a great independent local tech that can work on close to anything, I have been able to have any problems solved rather quickly without manufacturer support. I am not saying I would turn away support from a manufacturer by any means, it would be a welcomed change! But I have been able to make it so far.
You owe it to yourself to look at 2M they are great people that absolutely stand behind their product, and they by far build the most durable machine in the world. I have heard they are going to offer a 5 year 5 million print common sense warranty that covers everything on the machine.

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I don't doubt this post will draw some "reactions" you guys can have fun with that. I don't intend to get into any of the bickering or respond unless there is an ACTUAL response to my original question. I'll try to check out other boards, heck maybe I'll get lucky and find one where "serious MHM buyers" can answer a question! Rich- if you guys have a machine that fits my needs let me know, I'm interested. Then you can make me a believer, yes, I'll drink the Kool-Aid. Plus I won't have to use this stupid "alias" anymore. You will have my name, location, phone number, federal tax ID number and probably some other things. Seems like you need to provide that sort of stuff on this site to get any sort of answer...
Marcodie would be a company to strongly consider as well, they are ex M&R and ex MHM guys so they have produced a machine that is suppierior to both and it has a really unique combined squeegee floodbar apparatus.

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Robert just recommended 2m (mustang) maybe you should ask him what their actual delivery times are, not project Ted delivery times but actual. If he tells the truth it would be a first.
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Well my original intention was NOT to start a mud slinging fest here, but it seems like that is all that can consistently be done. That is too bad. This post will probably be long and I will sling some mud myself. I apologize a head of time.
I posted here twice for serious questions. First time a got a few answers that were relevant, the rest was like grade school kids calling each other names. I posted here because ever since the good old days of TSPMB there has not been a good forum. Yes, I could go to the M&R forum and hear wonderful things about M&R and hear a lot of one sided information(kinda like what has happened here). T-shirtforums.com was a option, they are 600% nicer. But I feel like(please do not get me wrong here, there is some great information there and some true professionals from around the world, and I respect Rodney for what he has done there) on there I would be talking to guys printing on a 1 station 2 color tabletop press in their moms basement. That or someone who is going to "make it" with their new clothing line, they just need the promo code for jiffyshirts.com again. While I don't intend to knock those people, good for them for trying something. They are just not the "experienced" user I am looking for opinions or facts from. This site seems to do a high volume of classified posts with some nice equipment, so I figured some of those users might use the forum also. Guess not, as I have been informed that "Serious MHM buyers do not come on digitsmith for answers." Sorry about that, can you please point me in the right direction then? That way I can let you get back to bickering here. Here are the facts and details, it seems if everything is not spelled out to a T the ASSumptions start running wild here.

-What I wanted to know(thought I was somewhat clear originally but guess not) Does M&R make a auto press with AC heads, servo indexing, print area of 20inches x 28inches, and head/print arm high lift for cleaning/inspecting.

-I do NOT own a M&R anything, never said I did. I did say "We currently have a M&R/Anatol/every other company style auto." Because 95% of the presses you see here in the US are the same style, print arms stay stationary, print head and table move. While there are HUGE differences with how service and the companys are run, the concept of the presses are all very similar.

-Is my name/identity a alias? Yes, sort of. I have not given exact name and details because as soon as that goes out the sales reps are all over you. Already had that experience, I do not have time for it again. Plus, it is VERY annoying.

-I could of asked my local M&R rep these questions yes. However the rep that works directly for M&R(I'm guessing a regional sales rep/account manager) that some time comes out with the local guy who's company sells M&R, has bad mouthed other equipment company's on numerous occasions. Don't get me wrong, there are some horrible companies out there, I have dealt with one. But I find it tacky and poor ethics/skill to bad mouth the competition. Let your product do the selling. Now my local rep who's company sells M&R is a very nice guy and I can't imagine him harming a fly. That makes it hard for me to deal with him a lot of the time. He will randomly show up and have a very soft sell and want to chat. That doesn't sound so bad but, he is so nice I have a hard time telling him to "leave, I don't have time to chat we are very busy and please don't come back unless I call you or we schedule a time."
I knew Rich checked out this board so he might of chimed in and answered my question, after all this was a question about a $100K+ potential sale. Well, I was right- kind of. While Rich did chime in, he simply said something about how the MHM did not look like it could handle a print size as advertised. Oh, and how could I forget, there was the very professional crack about me being some kind of a collector... Thanks for answering my question though! This brings me to my next thing....

-M&R may be great, but I very much dislike their tactics and methods. I have experienced some of their reps at shows to be very cocky. A lot of times they will underhandedly slam competitors- once again let your product do the talking. This is understandable, as I have heard Rich do it many times(off the top of my head, in some of the factory tour videos it happens). The last thing that drives me crazy about M&R is it seems like they are always suing someone. I HATE that. America uses the courts to settle recess fights. Rich, please do not take this as a personal attack on your character, I am sure you are a great guy, you obviously know how to keep customers happy and produce a nice product. While I do not doubt or disagree that M&R makes one heck of a machine, probably in the top 3 if not higher, and their service from popular opinion(which in this case I believe) is the best- worldwide. I know a guy that is the equipment buyer for a large printing company in Vietnam who prints for a bunch of the big mall stores, he wouldn't buy anything but a M&R(I don't remember exactly how many autos he has 10 or so I believe). A lot of the "big" shops out there run M&R, I know. It is usually difficult to find complaints about their machines or service.
With all of that said, there is only one reason I considered(it was in 4th place on my list) buying a M&R. Made in the USA. It is supporting a lot of jobs in the heartland, and I am one of the few out there that will pay a bit more for some good old US merchandise- as long as we are comparing apples to apples.
Here is where everyone will chime in about support... I have two machines that the company that manufacturers them probably can't even spell "support". Because of this I have had to adapt. I am very fortunate to have 4 very close friends that are various types of engineers, a relative that has over 35 years of ironwork experience, and a father that has been in charge of overseeing manufacturing of components with tolerances in the realm of .0001 of a inch. Those coupled with a great independent local tech that can work on close to anything, I have been able to have any problems solved rather quickly without manufacturer support. I am not saying I would turn away support from a manufacturer by any means, it would be a welcomed change! But I have been able to make it so far.

I don't doubt this post will draw some "reactions" you guys can have fun with that. I don't intend to get into any of the bickering or respond unless there is an ACTUAL response to my original question. I'll try to check out other boards, heck maybe I'll get lucky and find one where "serious MHM buyers" can answer a question! Rich- if you guys have a machine that fits my needs let me know, I'm interested. Then you can make me a believer, yes, I'll drink the Kool-Aid. Plus I won't have to use this stupid "alias" anymore. You will have my name, location, phone number, federal tax ID number and probably some other things. Seems like you need to provide that sort of stuff on this site to get any sort of answer...
First and foremost I made no comment about you being a collector. I responded telling you a Sportsman EX has a 20X20 image area and I think it is the machine MHM is targeting with their X machine. Stating facts sometimes makes people think you are arrogant or slamming competition. That is not the case. Watching people day in and day out get burned or ripped off it becomes very hard to stand by and not say anything. Your question to me is slanted toward MHM and as such cannot be answered positively. I see this in many goverment contracts when the buying group want a certain piece of equipment. Example: the press must have solid aluminum pallets with cam style locking levers and coated with rubber. The software must offer Revolver software. The press cannot be higher than 5 feet 9" in any area. Get the picture. You are specifying a size that is a standard Challanger size and heads that lift from the screen. The press you are questioning matches a Challanger size but in my opinion does not compare to that series and we make no press with a aluminum head tube that lifts from the screen. Not being disrespectful here at all. Just can't give you the answer you are looking for. The Xpress is new to the new owners at MHM and as such there is not much to compare to. All I will say and then no more is regardless of who you buy your machine from get a money back guarantee in writing and if they won't do that you really need to question why. There I go slipping in a M& R only spec again.
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few thoughts I'd like to point out.
-I have NEVER heard of an unhappy MHM user!
-I know about half a dozen of them, many running several presses (as many as 9) and not one wishes they had something else. Almost all had other equipment before switching to MHM.
-support for MHM is pretty good actually and getting better. It is not at M&R level, but you will talk to a tech in 15-30 min and have the part next morning if needed. They have walked me through troubleshooting the one part that failed in three years and we had the replacement next day.
-CHIII seems to be closest to the MHM presses, but I don't think the heads lift up and don't know the print size. That should be easy to find. CHIII is getting great reviews.
-check out theshirtboard.com. More MHM users there than other places. (sorry Marc, I know it's bad form for me to plug the other board. Please forgive me!)

and finally, I am a die hard MHM user and at the same time a die hard Richard Hoffman fan.
My choice of press is very subjective, I just happen to prefer VW to Ford or Audi/BMW to Caddy/Lincoln, but that is a personal preference (grew up in Europe). What kind of car do you drive? That might help answer your question. . .

- My suggestion would be to find a shop with an MHM and see what the difference is all about.

-from what I can tell, you should be happy with either.

pierre
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few thoughts I'd like to point out.
-I have NEVER heard of an unhappy MHM user!
-I know about half a dozen of them, many running several presses (as many as 9) and not one wishes they had something else. Almost all had other equipment before switching to MHM.
-support for MHM is pretty good actually and getting better. It is not at M&R level, but you will talk to a tech in 15-30 min and have the part next morning if needed. They have walked me through troubleshooting the one part that failed in three years and we had the replacement next day.
-CHIII seems to be closest to the MHM presses, but I don't think the heads lift up and don't know the print size. That should be easy to find. CHIII is getting great reviews.
-check out theshirtboard.com. More MHM users there than other places. (sorry Marc, I know it's bad form for me to plug the other board. Please forgive me!)

and finally, I am a die hard MHM user and at the same time a die hard Richard Hoffman fan.
My choice of press is very subjective, I just happen to prefer VW to Ford or Audi/BMW to Caddy/Lincoln, but that is a personal preference (grew up in Europe). What kind of car do you drive? That might help answer your question. . .

- My suggestion would be to find a shop with an MHM and see what the difference is all about.

-from what I can tell, you should be happy with either.

pierre
Are you saying that the MHM customers that have had to replace the main shaft on there machines are happy? If so, that is great news! The guy in the Pittsburgh rea hade to spend almost $10,000 dollars to have his fixed, but if he had the main shaft the next day from Europe, now that is some service!
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