Now this is a real press factory

CustomizedPrintables · July 26th, 2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by islandtees

OK, enough of your BS. You come on here trying to stir up crap about buying a press from Barnes. Your so called trying to get the information to decide if its true. Who cares. You bought your press, good luck and stop whining like a little girl.

BS? Whining? I was simply asking a legitimate question that had nothing to do with Barnes and you respond with an attack.

If you don't want to engage in an honest discussion then why post anything to begin with?

srimonogramming · July 26th, 2012, 11:36 PM

One person can assemble and test the press for complete operation just fine, it will just take longer to do. We all know there is nothing wrong with the size of 2M when it comes to the quality of the press, delivery time is the only thing that is really affected as long as the few guys that are building the press do their jobs correctly. Quick delivery is important to most buyers, but a 26 week delivery time doesn't have to be negative if the shop is aware and covered for it. If a shop has a perfectly good auto that isn't a bottleneck in their production then they are better prepared for whatever delivery time they are comfortable with. We all are also aware of how long delivery times can cripple a business too, but all of this has to be considered during the buying process.

Personally, I don't know if I could have waited more than a few months for our press, I was way too pumped up to get a new one since it was my first goal I set for the shop when I started working there. We got ours in 5 weeks but the press was already in Chicago. It's my opinion that 2M should work to get their delivery times down to 10-12 weeks if they want to grow and be a serious player in the industry. If they are content and there are enough customers to keep their workload where they want and are willing to wait 6-8 months for their press then nobody should bad mouth their business model. But if you have a sales staff or distributor that relies on moving quantities of autos to keep their business afloat then the model of manufacturing of 2-3 presses a month and 6 month delivery times is not going to work and something will have to give.

244 · July 27th, 2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by squeegee

Sure sounded like a knock to me, just from the outside looking in. What would be wrong with doing business with a small company? Fear? Of?

There is nothing wrong with doing business with a small company and it's not a knock. Every buyer if given the opportunity should visit the company where you intend to lay down your hard earned money. Why risk your life savings or a heavy debt load without seeing what support and back up supply,etc you are paying for. The purchase of a press should include those items. That is part of what you are paying for in the purchase price. If that is not that important to you then I agree don't visit the manufacturer if possible. Just give someone your money and hope they are there when you need them. I see people doing it here pretty successfully all the time. ( now that last statement WAS a knock)!

inkman996 · July 27th, 2012, 08:31 AM

8 month delivery time come on people thats ridiculous as hell! Not to knock you CP because you are stating you are fine with it but damn! you were first told 14 weeks and now its 8 months! And the excuses are lame, its the same crap I heard when waiting for our Printex. They blamed Germany, truckers, customs etc. What is obvious between the two is Robert he is the common denominator here. And I am fully convinced Roberts desire to upgrade these presses is what causes such long lead times.

pushing ink · July 27th, 2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by customizedprintables

if it was meant to cast a shadow on 2m then that is just sad. "mine is bigger than yours" is the stupid kind of things i would only expect to hear from rwb. Not only is it irrelevant, but it is childish.

Maybe robert hacked 244's name.

robert barnes has a live one here!

jmd · July 27th, 2012, 09:15 AM

I will have to say, when you are willing to wait that long for a pc of machinery for production do you really need that machine in the first place. Seems to me if you can go that long why not another 8 months.

GraphicDisorder · July 27th, 2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by squeegee

Sure sounded like a knock to me, just from the outside looking in. What would be wrong with doing business with a small company? Fear? Of?

Disappearing when a press is owed?

See Playtex for exact example.

GraphicDisorder · July 27th, 2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by islandtees

Nothing wrong with small companies but 1 person assembling presses. Who does quality control. How do you check all the circuits and everything else that goes into a press. 1 person cannot handle it all.

Exactly my point as well.

I love doing business with small business. But sorry, not on capital equipment.

pushing ink · July 27th, 2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 244

There is nothing wrong with doing business with a small company and it's not a knock. Every buyer if given the opportunity should visit the company where you intend to lay down your hard earned money. Why risk your life savings or a heavy debt load without seeing what support and back up supply,etc you are paying for. The purchase of a press should include those items. That is part of what you are paying for in the purchase price. If that is not that important to you then I agree don't visit the manufacturer if possible. Just give someone your money and hope they are there when you need them. I see people doing it here pretty successfully all the time. ( now that last statement WAS a knock)!

The only Knock I hear is when printing with my PRINTEX. That press makes more noise than a cheap w h o r e !! LOL

inkman996 · July 27th, 2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pushing ink

The only Knock I hear is when printing with my PRINTEX. That press makes more noise than a cheap w h o r e !! LOL

You should hear mine! The lift cylinder sounds like its going to have a stroke some day soon.