Revolver mode

Promo Print · June 26th, 2011, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jmd

If you are looking to do something for in house use that is one thing, but if your intentions are to go out and sell the product your best bet is to hire a patent attorny. After they do their research they will be able to tell you exactly what not to do.

No I am not

I ma just debating and trying to come to the bottom of Revolver thing. I am truing to figure out how come only one MGF have right to manufacture machine with such simple function that has been in use since textile printing was invented.

RWB · June 26th, 2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Promo Print

No I am not

I ma just debating and trying to come to the bottom of Revolver thing. I am truing to figure out how come only one MGF have right to manufacture machine with such simple function that has been in use since textile printing was invented.

That's blasphemy ... You mustn't speak in the opposite direction of the Blue Doctrine (244 is watching)

Printwizard · June 27th, 2011, 05:23 AM

I am agreeing with every word and thought and question which promo has raised, and worded so well. I couldn't think better if I tried!

Screentex · June 27th, 2011, 04:29 PM

One of the great questions of auto printing lore.

My question is could you then threaten legal action if you were the first one to have a printhead that can be programmed to print multiple times. All machines I know of do it now, it is a basic function and some kind of program has to be formulated to make the machine perform the task.

Is this not the same as the revolver debate. Revolver mode involves the basic function of a machine rotating multiple times and being able to program which heads print or flash on each rotation.

There are numerous similar programable functions on automatics, some of which are probably identical. What makes this different?

Promo Print · June 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Screentex

One of the great questions of auto printing lore.

My question is could you then threaten legal action if you were the first one to have a printhead that can be programmed to print multiple times. All machines I know of do it now, it is a basic function and some kind of program has to be formulated to make the machine perform the task.

Is this not the same as the revolver debate. Revolver mode involves the basic function of a machine rotating multiple times and being able to program which heads print or flash on each rotation.

There are numerous similar programable functions on automatics, some of which are probably identical. What makes this different?

Exactly.
That is why I think that that revolver patent is big scam and it can not stack up in front of court.
Both functions are common practice from far before automatic machines were invented.

vicb · June 28th, 2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Promo Print

Exactly.
That is why I think that that revolver patent is big scam and it can not stack up in front of court.
Both functions are common practice from far before automatic machines were invented.

That's brilliant!!! A program designed to control the print sequence on an automatic was common practice before automatics were invented.

Prosperi-Tees · June 28th, 2011, 12:50 AM

Brown Mfg just released there software which allows you to program the machine to print however you want it to. I am not sure how they accomplish it whether it steps back like anatols or goes around a second time

Promo Print · June 28th, 2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vicb

That's brilliant!!! A program designed to control the print sequence on an automatic was common practice before automatics were invented.

There are two things to this argument

1. I hope that you are just acting dumb so I don't waste my time.
I didn't say that program is common practice. I said that FUNCTION that program does was common practice before auto press was invented.
BTW, program that is design to control print sequence was invented way before M&R. M&R just patented program where machines rotate more than once.
If program that control print sequence was patented by whoever wrote it today you would not have M&R and other machine manufacturers. Why it was not patented? My guess is because it does function that was used way before auto presses. Same goes for revolver in my opinion.
2. Back to square one. What exactly patent for revolver is? Is it program on function that program does?

tonypep · June 28th, 2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Promo Print

There are two things to this argument

1. I hope that you are just acting dumb so I don't waste my time.
I didn't say that program is common practice. I said that FUNCTION that program does was common practice before auto press was invented.
BTW, program that is design to control print sequence was invented way before M&R. M&R just patented program where machines rotate more than once.
If program that control print sequence was patented by whoever wrote it today you would not have M&R and other machine manufacturers. Why it was not patented? My guess is because it does function that was used way before auto presses. Same goes for revolver in my opinion.
2. Back to square one. What exactly patent for revolver is? Is it program on function that program does?

Not going to get in argument that I don't care about however..........for the most part Revolver and similar programs were developed as a bandaid to compensate for poor pre-press engineering. A proper understanding of the interdependent variables should result in only having a press revolve once. This is of course not without exception however on the rare occaision that I see an operator using it if I put the entire job under the microscope and usually pinpoint and correct the offending variable(s). In fact I know of one shop where you would get a written warning for using it. At the end of the day a skilled printer (not press operator) should not have the need for it.
But please continue

Screentex · June 28th, 2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tonypep

Not going to get in argument that I don't care about however..........for the most part Revolver and similar programs were developed as a bandaid to compensate for poor pre-press engineering. A proper understanding of the interdependent variables should result in only having a press revolve once. This is of course not without exception however on the rare occaision that I see an operator using it if I put the entire job under the microscope and usually pinpoint and correct the offending variable(s). In fact I know of one shop where you would get a written warning for using it. At the end of the day a skilled printer (not press operator) should not have the need for it.
But please continue

I agree with Tony that the skilled printer should not have a need for it.

IMO the revolver program was designed for the entry level 6-color and maybe even an 8-color type customer to take into account cool down stations after a flash when needing to use all print heads. When we had an 8-color machine with revolver mode, we may have used the program once or twice a year. After we became more experienced with automation and pre-press logistics, we did not use it. We might have a job go around twice if it was a smaller run that needed to be a print a spot print job instead of setting up one more screen.

The only other time we would consider it is if we had a screen issue and instead of burning another screen, it would be quicker to do some sort of manual revolver sequence where we could fininsh the job quicker as opposed to re-burning.

Having jobs run without the necessity of a revlover type mode starts with the art department and their understanding of the print process and how to most effetively produce seperations in order to print without using this type of function.

I still think the patent is strange. It can be an attractive option/selling point for those entering the auto market that are not as experienced in the pre-press part of screen printing. So, with regards to selling to a customer that does not have that much experience, I believe it can be a selling advantage for the manufacturer.