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Old June 28th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #41 (permalink)
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That's the beauty of the Printex Machines <--- M&R compatible :-)







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Old June 28th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #42 (permalink)
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There are two things to this argument

1. I hope that you are just acting dumb so I don't waste my time.
I didn't say that program is common practice. I said that FUNCTION that program does was common practice before auto press was invented.
BTW, program that is design to control print sequence was invented way before M&R. M&R just patented program where machines rotate more than once.
If program that control print sequence was patented by whoever wrote it today you would not have M&R and other machine manufacturers. Why it was not patented? My guess is because it does function that was used way before auto presses. Same goes for revolver in my opinion.
2. Back to square one. What exactly patent for revolver is? Is it program on function that program does?
With regards to point 2, I have no idea. I think that could only be answered by someone with legal patent knowledge and not affiliated with this industry. Too many different interpretations and he said, she saids on this board to get the real answer. Unless you are a patent attorney that would truly analyze the actual patent, all you really have on here is opinions, mine included. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but it is very hard to get a truely objective point of view here since this has been such a volitile subject and many on this board were directly involved in some way with results of the patent.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The way I see it we all here are nothing more than arm chair pundits not a bad thing but in the real world what we think means nothing as long as you have lawyers and patent laws to back you up. I do not see how it could be considered bad business to use a patent to help your business be competitive or leading. Are we all not trying to make money. Sure maybe the patent could be fought over but who has the money to do that? It makes sense to create a patent when the opportunity arises this way your business is healthier.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I have several patents and have spent many hours and $$$ researching patents in the past and you can patent a program to perform a specific function. The revolver program was not in existence on any automatic printer when it was patented. M&R wrote a program to automatically perform the same functions that were commonly performed manually.
I have worked for years designing control systems for prisons and we have several patents on door openers and also software that controls the opening of the doors automatically. If you can patent the software to open a door, you can patent the programming software for an automatic printer.
If you want to find out anything about patents, go to the closest major university's library and you can hire college students to do thorough and formal patent searches for you. We have used students at LSU on many occasions.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:01 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I have several patents and have spent many hours and $$$ researching patents in the past and you can patent a program to perform a specific function. The revolver program was not in existence on any automatic printer when it was patented. M&R wrote a program to automatically perform the same functions that were commonly performed manually.
I have worked for years designing control systems for prisons and we have several patents on door openers and also software that controls the opening of the doors automatically. If you can patent the software to open a door, you can patent the programming software for an automatic printer.
If you want to find out anything about patents, go to the closest major university's library and you can hire college students to do thorough and formal patent searches for you. We have used students at LSU on many occasions.

And that is what I think some are talking about. Just like you cannot patent opening a door, you cannot patent the concept of a automatic going around more than once to print and flash. This is because those functions have been done manually for years and are common knowledge. The software to make a door or machine could be patented.

I think the question is were the line is drawn. There are tons of companies out there that have software to control the opening of doors and have for decades and I would assume very few if any are paying you a license fee for the concept of software controlling a door opening. I would think that their software uses a different algorithm to achieve the same end result and thus does not infringe on your patent.
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Old June 28th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #46 (permalink)
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And that is what I think some are talking about. Just like you cannot patent opening a door, you cannot patent the concept of a automatic going around more than once to print and flash. This is because those functions have been done manually for years and are common knowledge. The software to make a door or machine could be patented.

I think the question is were the line is drawn. There are tons of companies out there that have software to control the opening of doors and have for decades and I would assume very few if any are paying you a license fee for the concept of software controlling a door opening. I would think that their software uses a different algorithm to achieve the same end result and thus does not infringe on your patent.
We have a patent on the software used for interlocking doors and emergency release systems as well as cctv activation and fire/smoke monitoring systems. Being specific to detention facilities, the use of our systems is usually written into contracts and as a part of the spec for bid. Yes we are consulted and yes we are paid every time our systems are used. We are consulted and paid to spec the job to include our systems. There is not a multitude of licensed detention facility contractors just like there is not a multitude of screenprinting equipment manufacturers so any patent infringements will be discovered almost immediately. As far as internationally, outside of the US, patents mean nothing. If you import products that have patent or copyright infringements, once they enter the US, US patent laws can be enforced.
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We have a patent on the software used for interlocking doors and emergency release systems as well as cctv activation and fire/smoke monitoring systems. Being specific to detention facilities, the use of our systems is usually written into contracts and as a part of the spec for bid. Yes we are consulted and yes we are paid every time our systems are used. We are consulted and paid to spec the job to include our systems. There is not a multitude of licensed detention facility contractors just like there is not a multitude of screenprinting equipment manufacturers so any patent infringements will be discovered almost immediately. As far as internationally, outside of the US, patents mean nothing. If you import products that have patent or copyright infringements, once they enter the US, US patent laws can be enforced.
If you felt a competitor might be infringing on your patent ... You would go out into the field and investigate to form an opinion -but- while you are visiting that customer would you threaten to include them in your lawsuit :-?

Even worse ... Would you tell a potential client of yours that is considering your product that if they do buy the other guy's product you would file a Lawsuit against them :-?
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And that is what I think some are talking about. Just like you cannot patent opening a door, you cannot patent the concept of a automatic going around more than once to print and flash. This is because those functions have been done manually for years and are common knowledge. The software to make a door or machine could be patented.

I think the question is were the line is drawn. There are tons of companies out there that have software to control the opening of doors and have for decades and I would assume very few if any are paying you a license fee for the concept of software controlling a door opening. I would think that their software uses a different algorithm to achieve the same end result and thus does not infringe on your patent.

It is interesting to note that no one has developed a satisfactory statement of what constitutes an invention. Philosophically, this seems to follow from the fact that an invention is something which is found by reaching out into the unknown. Since an invention cannot be defined by describing something which is still unknown, the only alternative is to state what is not an invention. This is done in the patent law by defining what is in the prior art.
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It is interesting to note that no one has developed a satisfactory statement of what constitutes an invention. Philosophically, this seems to follow from the fact that an invention is something which is found by reaching out into the unknown. Since an invention cannot be defined by describing something which is still unknown, the only alternative is to state what is not an invention. This is done in the patent law by defining what is in the prior art.
You forgot to credit Walter Blenko Jr. for that.
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If you felt a competitor might be infringing on your patent ... You would go out into the field and investigate to form an opinion -but- while you are visiting that customer would you threaten to include them in your lawsuit :-?

Even worse ... Would you tell a potential client of yours that is considering your product that if they do buy the other guy's product you would file a Lawsuit against them :-?

Robert you should keep your insults and jabs about me to your self today or things are going to get very bad for you in the near future. The little trick you tried with that Email to Dan today did not work out so well for you did it? Dan is about pushed to the point of taking some serious drastic measures.

As of right now me you and the other individual can all come to an agreement on a deal that will be in every ones best interest especially since it will get me off your back, and that also will have to include getting you off of my back.
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