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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Just imagine how much more they could do and how much ink they could save if they used properly tensioned screens. They could print twice as fast and have faster setups as well. Wood frames could very well be properly tensioned but it's not likely. I have argued that one's quality would improve if they went from low tension to high tension screens, but I've never said that fine work can't and hasn't been done with 15 newton screens. That's never been an argument, we used static alums for almost 3 years and did some nice work, but we got better in every aspect of screen printing when we moved to higher tensioned screens and there is nobody on earth or any number of examples of print shops that produce high quality prints that could ever change that fact.

It's probably a lot cheaper to outfit a bunch of wood screens with the MHM pins for the regi system isn't it? I know it's a bit easier and faster to drill holes in wood than aluminum or newman roller frames
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:23 AM   #22 (permalink)
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1945 called. The war is over!!! Aluminum is all the rage!!
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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we can rag on the guy's wood frames all we want, they are seeeeeriouslyl busy at that shop, and have a press that most of us drool over hahahahah. You are right Alan, he should be on the Newmans with that thing, but even with wood frames, they set up 10 color jobs ready to rock in under 20 mins from a blank set up to rockin. The only thing I'd be curious to see, knowing how wood will warp and lose tension fairly fast, using the auto reg function on that machine with screens that more than likely shift as they sit could be a waste of ability. Maybe they use different frames for re-run projects. I haven't talked to him in a while, I'll have to pop in for a visit when I go to SPA jacksonville next month and take some pics. Really nice family there and really nice work comes out of there.
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we can rag on the guy's wood frames all we want, they are seeeeeriouslyl busy at that shop, and have a press that most of us drool over hahahahah. You are right Alan, he should be on the Newmans with that thing, but even with wood frames, they set up 10 color jobs ready to rock in under 20 mins from a blank set up to rockin. The only thing I'd be curious to see, knowing how wood will warp and lose tension fairly fast, using the auto reg function on that machine with screens that more than likely shift as they sit could be a waste of ability. Maybe they use different frames for re-run projects. I haven't talked to him in a while, I'll have to pop in for a visit when I go to SPA jacksonville next month and take some pics. Really nice family there and really nice work comes out of there.
No auto reg on his 4000. I forgot about the no tape, and I mean no tape period.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 02:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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really? I could have sworn he had that, well maybe that's why no worries with the wood frames and no tape. Either way, still a seriously awesome machine and great work coming off of it. They look like a space ship. He told me how accurate the e-stop was. that he almost goofed up moving around a security bar and someone indexed on him he bumped the bar and he said, total stop on the index, like 1 inch from a pallet touching him. nice to know something that big can stop on a dime like that.
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My production speed jumped about 20% when I started using Newmans. Not to mention our reject rate went from 3-4% to less than 0.5%. Its a big investment, but roller frames are the best, by far.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 01:42 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Not even Barnes could ruin the MHM name.... then again, that might be because they are smart enough not to get involved with him.

They are certainly smart enough to make a press that is way better than his... and they did that 15 years ago!
And when 244 dies of old age and a new owner takes over they might be smart enough to copy this in another thirty years....
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:12 AM   #29 (permalink)
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here's an interesting video

http://youtu.be/MyPzDsg0QIg
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