Robert Barnes from Spider Machines - Modern Technology -vs- Old Conventional Designs

screenprintguy

I'm not knocking the this guy's press as it's his choice, and it does look like a nice machine. But, in all seriousness, how can it be the fastest set up???? Film positioning unit, same thing MHM users have. Then you still have a jig/master pallet, like a tri-loc. MHM, the screens go right into the press, no jig needed. Any MHM user I have spoke with all say that they literally lock and load. No clamps, no reg needed, they still have the fastest set up and break down, lifting heads for easy access, nobody else has that. Like I said, not knocking this new machine, it looks nice and carries the same solid building and performance as the RPM with a few new features, but as a press that still uses screen clamps, squeegee clamps, and flood clamps. It won't be faster than an MHM machine.

ScreenShip

As much as some M&R trolls are going to run my next statement up the internet flag pole ... the M&R Tri-Loc pallet is a more consistant system than the MHM zero'ing the heads ... the inherent problem with hoping for a zero head position is the human doing the FPU ... if they are slightly off on the screen that goes in head 5 -then- to get that job out the door head 5 must be micro'd <--- getting head 5 back to true zero is not so simple

Magnify this issue throughout the day/week/month and before long you have every printhead in different zero positions to each other

the primary issue with the M&R pallet system isn't the pallet itself .... its the inconsistant clamp location and weak clamps M&R uses

squeegee

All I can say to any onlookers who are looking at autos:

1. Check out a trade show
2. Look at the presses by the specs first, decide what is important to YOU.
3. Call real owners and get the word from real world users
4. This is IMPORTANT: Do not let Robert Barnes in your shop!

Here's the thing about 'ol Barney, if you let him in, he will slick talk you with his salesmanship. I think 'ol Barney is really less of a machine guy than he lets on, what he really? A SALESMAN, that's it.

I tip my hat to Barney's sales and promo tactics, but seriously folks, do your homework and don't let this vulture come near you because if you do, he'll be on you like shlt on stink.

BUYER BEWARE.

screenprintguy

Well, I'm an M&R shop, I use a Tri-loc, it's in action several times a day. It will take you from over an hour of setting up to under 30 mins on an 8 color set up. I do experience the human error factor, or the mystical,(how the heck did that get so off) scenario, but, supposedly if you eventually go into DTS, you are at an almost perfect lock and load. Either way, you still have to contend with screens being clamped, and if you have a racked screen, you will have a slight micro. Honestly,we wouldn't be without our Tri-loc, we love it. But now, I have spoke with lots of guys who run MHM's and they all say the same thing. If you do what you are supposed to do at the FPU, you are dead on all the time. So now, this Mustang reg subject seems to be a combo of Tri-loc and FPU, probably going to work pretty good. I thinking having a jig that stays on the press, if it's not in the way or hindering the machines workability is pretty cool. I can't tell you when slammed busy, how many times someone has bumped into the T-L pallet and almost knocked it over, if that thing gets banged too many times, I'm sure it's integrity is compromised. I usually set it off to the side next to my dryer behind a table within reach of the load station, but still. If it was somehow on a print are and slidable, that might be cool. That's still not going to save that much time. It takes me all of 15 seconds to pull a pallet and slide the T-L pallet on and lock it. So, that's not killing my day, even if its a day with a dozen plus set ups. Carrier sheets now, that's one thing I really despise! Pulling the carrier and it's film off the table hanging or laying it down while getting your exposure unitready ect, things will move whether we want to admit it or not. Eliminating that whole deal would be cool. Double burning a screen with two images? Once and a while, but it's actually not worth trying to conserve the extra screen, but if you want to do it, the easy way is, line all your art up. Take the first image, put double sided tape on it. pop it in T-L, it sticks the the screen, pull the screen out of T-L, pop in your next carrier sheet and art, and lock the screen back down. You are now in perfect position for a double burn, preferably left chest prints only, unless you use 25x36 and have lots of open space. Still, I think, T-L, and DTS are the way to go, but not every small shop is ready for the 30 plus thousand to spend on DTS. Bottom line, if you know how to do good seps, you will fight less at the press, and just take your time aligning, never touch the T-L pallet to free wheel your machine once it's locked in. It's worth every penny.

ScreenShip

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screenprintguy

squeegee

Like Stink on shlt.

BUYER BEWARE.

Here's an interesting video

http://youtu.be/41bKOvveSJY

Icon_714

Nice! is that the 70cm or the 110cm?

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Gilligan

I guess you missed the part about motorized registration.

So, I could be wrong on this but I think all you have to do is hit ZERO and poof it's back to zero with more precision than your "double coil over spring, digital off contact" BS.

Maybe you should watch this video from 15 years ago and see if you can learn how they did it 15 years ago. Then maybe one can catch up to 15 years ago.

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screenprintguy

I'm pretty sure it's the 110, it was set up so that they could use the jumbo AOP pallets from M&R, that's a serious serious machine. I went to see it a couple months back and anyone who has the gaul to knock the C3 is smokin straight up crack mixed with some good ole asphalt. Those machines are also bad mama jammas! You have one as well right?