What is an acceptable amount of time to wait for a press.

GraphicDisorder · February 14th, 2012, 08:43 PM

Answer the poll. I think its important to point out that in today's climate, when your busy, you need machines when you need them. Not a year later or longer.

So how long do you think is an acceptable amount of time to wait for a press from payment to it spinning in your shop.

srimonogramming · February 14th, 2012, 08:57 PM

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srimonogramming · February 14th, 2012, 09:05 PM

I voted for 4-8 because I'm impatient but I think 8-12 is reasonable and anything over 12 is completely unacceptable and would be a deal breaker for me. It's almost the principle of the thing after 12 weeks, it tells me the manufacturer isn't as serious about building equipment as I am about printing.

GraphicDisorder · February 14th, 2012, 09:26 PM

I choose 4-8 as well. I would wait up to 10-12. I also agree any manufacture that can't consistantly put presses in 12 or less weeks would never have my business.

The Bumper · February 14th, 2012, 09:36 PM

Great Poll Bro. I chose 4-8. However, if the company is located over seas, I would wait 10-12 as that would be normal I feel. But I can tell you that if M&R was shipping 10-12 weeks, I think I would be bummed since they're an American based company.
Once again, great poll!

californiadreamin · February 14th, 2012, 09:41 PM

I feel that whatever you negociate and agree on between the buyer and seller should honored. Period! If there are reasonable delays on both sides
It is usually workable, as long as there is HONEST communication,effort
involved. Deception,half-truths and dishonesty should never be acceptable
for either parties. Getting on the internet or any other means to spew lies,
misrepresentations, strife, and in general being an AZZHOLE or AZZHOLES,
by either party should be a BIG RED Flag. Is there a pattern of satisfied/
disastisfied parties? If there is evidence of fraud, misrepresentation, etc.
by either party and there is no peaceful outcome, honest solutions, then I
would go visit the State Attorney, Federal Prosecutor and present any and
all evidence for my charge. Anything else is bull$hit. Unethical behavior
hurts all involved, and should not be tollerated. Period!

GraphicDisorder · February 15th, 2012, 07:49 AM

I agree that its fine if a manufacture tells you "hey we can sell you this press and it will be installed by 100 weeks from now". That's fine if its up front and the customer is okay with that.

I think the reason for this is there is at least one manufacture having some real trouble with realistic time frames, they seem to think it's no big deal. So I thought it was important to find out what the majority thought was an acceptable wait time.

I think Alan really summed it up best:
"It's almost the principle of the thing after 12 weeks, it tells me the manufacturer isn't as serious about building equipment as I am about printing."

californiadreamin · February 15th, 2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

I agree that its fine if a manufacture tells you "hey we can sell you this press and it will be installed by 100 weeks from now". That's fine if its up front and the customer is okay with that.

I think the reason for this is there is at least one manufacture having some real trouble with realistic time frames, they seem to think it's no big deal. So I thought it was important to find out what the majority thought was an acceptable wait time.

I think Alan really summed it up best:
"It's almost the principle of the thing after 12 weeks, it tells me the manufacturer isn't as serious about building equipment as I am about printing."

There are many commited, serious companies all over the world that choose
to take longer than 12 weeks to build and deliver equipment. This is very
normal and has been for many years. Depending on the demand and capacity
of the facility. How long is normal to turn a large T Shirt job around. What is
large? I have worked with companies that had a capacity of 1/2 million
shirts per week! There is a Korean company that I have worked with that
produces (knit,cut ,sew) 2 million shirts per day worldwide. That being said
a small printer who prints say 500 shirts a day is just as serious about printing
as the larger operation. For me, Honesty,Quality, Integrity is what is important, as well as enjoying what one is doing, having "tons" of heart and
hopefully making some money. This Bull$hit that is going on now, is very
destructive and is very,very sad.
Happy Printing,
winston

pushing ink · February 15th, 2012, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by californiadreamin

There are many commited, serious companies all over the world that choose
to take longer than 12 weeks to build and deliver equipment. This is very
normal and has been for many years. Depending on the demand and capacity
of the facility. How long is normal to turn a large T Shirt job around. What is
large? I have worked with companies that had a capacity of 1/2 million
shirts per week! There is a Korean company that I have worked with that
produces (knit,cut ,sew) 2 million shirts per day worldwide. That being said
a small printer who prints say 500 shirts a day is just as serious about printing
as the larger operation. For me, Honesty,Quality, Integrity is what is important, as well as enjoying what one is doing, having "tons" of heart and
hopefully making some money. This Bull$hit that is going on now, is very
destructive and is very,very sad.
Happy Printing,
winston

Winston, You know what elses is very,very sad? When Robert Barnes STEAL'S your money and then won't service the presses you do have. Robert Barnes now with www.screenprintgear.com
Colleen Barnes
Sara O'conner aka Webgurl
all the mentioned above have had a hand in this deal. We have heard for a long long time "how passionate" Robert Barnes is about presses and his customer's, this guy has left more people hanging than an wild west court.
The time of my press had around 10 month's already, hell it will have it's first birthday soon and I still won't have it.

srimonogramming · February 15th, 2012, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by californiadreamin

There are many commited, serious companies all over the world that choose
to take longer than 12 weeks to build and deliver equipment. This is very
normal and has been for many years. Depending on the demand and capacity
of the facility. How long is normal to turn a large T Shirt job around. What is
large? I have worked with companies that had a capacity of 1/2 million
shirts per week! There is a Korean company that I have worked with that
produces (knit,cut ,sew) 2 million shirts per day worldwide. That being said
a small printer who prints say 500 shirts a day is just as serious about printing
as the larger operation. For me, Honesty,Quality, Integrity is what is important, as well as enjoying what one is doing, having "tons" of heart and
hopefully making some money. This Bull$hit that is going on now, is very
destructive and is very,very sad.
Happy Printing,
winston

As usual Winston, you make a good point and a manufacturer CAN have the passion that I do and still take a while to build a piece of equipment. I guess maybe I had a few manufacturers in mind when I typed that and they seem to just be in this business because it's all they have and not because they want to be. I was talking about that manufacturer that has a huge facility and the means to produce dozens of machines per month yet they have always had long delivery times and shoddy customer service after the sale. And no, I'm not talking about P-tex.