What is the actual difference between RPM and Mustang??????

GraphicDisorder · April 10th, 2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

If another Brand had an agent who developed some mental illness they would think it sad, may shy away from that distributor, but they would not kick the manufacturer or brand. Not everyone associated here are bad, there are some good people, like with all companies ;-)

And I'm not saying Robert is certified crazy. Just you can't judge the machine by the agent. You judge the machine and manufacturer separate to the agent. I think the right purchasing contract and doing it with 2M is risk free, they would not let disaster happen in their own back yard. PM me if you want to talk through.

Drastically different scenario you just mentioned. Choosing a representative who later goes nuts is much different than picking one that already is.

How can you honestly not fault 2m for letting him represent them? That goes straight to their core of their judgment. It's a mistake and you know it.

You are not serious with that ***** are you Printwizard? whatever the product is doesn't matter.

People can and do every day judge companies and their products by the representation. That is the whole reason for having a sales team to start with.

LOL

Printwizard · April 10th, 2012, 09:20 PM

Hey, I know people not on here who deal with Robert, got what they wanted, love their gear, liked the whole transaction and follow up and would be their first next call. Every brand has disasters. I am not going to haul skeletons out of closets on someone else's issues, but I so easily could, the fact they relate to NZ and Australia is not relevant to the US. And it's the agent not the manufacturer. And not all are that squeaky clean behind rose tinted glasses, yet they keep their agencies with manufacturers knowledge as they sell product and have history. I am not advocating Robert, I just think as long as you wanted
Mustang you could easily buy it and have it delivered easier than you make out. 2M stands behind their machines, not like Printex. Totally different. Fill the contract out and make progress Payment to 2M,
Robert won't get his cut until machine is installed. There is your security. The only person making this hard is you. In reality it's very simple and safe.

GraphicDisorder · April 10th, 2012, 09:44 PM

He's tried to manipulate me many times. So while I didn't get ripped off I had a lot of my time wasted because of no other reason than I care about people....

I fault any company that would choose such a person to represent them. That goes to the core of what they stand for. Flat out a reflection of the type of choices tapes make as a company.

But ya I've been really clear and you've ignored it or have selective memory. If set on a 2m machine I would advise someone buy it from Rick Fuqua. I too considered one. Turn time too long for me at the time. I was past needing a auto when I ordered.

rockers · April 10th, 2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

Drastically different scenario you just mentioned. Choosing a representative who later goes nuts is much different than picking one that already is.

How can you honestly not fault 2m for letting him represent them? That goes straight to their core of their judgment. It's a mistake and you know it.

You are not serious with that ***** are you Printwizard? whatever the product is doesn't matter.

People can and do every day judge companies and their products by the representation. That is the whole reason for having a sales team to start with.

LOL

You do, I don`t, so don`t generalize. M&R for example,their distributer in Japan is not that good, did that make me not buy their equipment? No way. Inform yourself about the company, get in touch with them and ask if you can purchase directly of them without going through their dealer. Tell them the reasons so that they know what`s wrong, which might give them the opportunity to correct their short comings. If they are not Ok with that too bad and take your business somewhere else. But honestly, too often you bring up Barnes and his dodgy dealings. Have you ever been personally a victim of his? Why not leave this Barnes stuff up to the real victims of him, they have at least the knowledge and background.

Prosperi-Tees · April 10th, 2012, 09:47 PM

I see Brandt's point, its kinda like me not printing obscene artwork because I don't want my company name tied to it.

eetherman · April 10th, 2012, 10:31 PM

99.9% of your clients do not care what type of machinery is in your production area. In this business do you honestly think that people care one way or another what type or where your machine came from? They sell tons of Chevy and Chrysler vehicles every day. They screwed more people in this country than you could even imagine. What people want is their work done right, at a good price and on time. That is all that matters in this business, does anyone accept a screen printer know what an RPM, M&R, TUF, TAS or any other press is? Highly doubt it!!

Gilligan · April 10th, 2012, 11:46 PM

I will say this... Printex's technical issues pretty much sprung up on machines that Barnes' sold. Coincidence? HIGHLY doubted. He asked them to make changes and things broke. He will admit that (at least he did to me). Is this what happened to the RPM when Robert started having them make them into Mustangs? I can't say, but Alan's neighbor had to change out a ton of components and Alan didn't.

Granted, I'm SURE it's not Robert's fault... just ask him (or wait for him to chime in).

Printwizard · April 11th, 2012, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

He's tried to manipulate me many times. So while I didn't get ripped off I had a lot of my time wasted because of no other reason than I care about people...

If set on a 2m machine I would advise someone buy it from Rick Fuqua. I too considered one.

Firstly, buy off Rick, no problem at all there.

Second, Robert wasted your time? You waste your own time. Add it up and it will be hours a week chasing and posting, probably on your form added up would be a good couple of working weeks every year. Imagine not wasting that and hopping on the phone selling or pumping out production. You are like an addict trashing Barnes with a blind loyalist fervor normally reserved for English Football Hooligans. Broken Record......

Gilligan · April 11th, 2012, 12:54 AM

That's absolutely true... it is not pretty.

Luckily it goes away when he goes away. I guess it's just like having a rock in your shoe and you can't stop complaining about how much it's bothering you but as soon as you get it out then you shut up about it.

But it does get old, no doubt.

Printwizard · April 11th, 2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

I will say this... Printex's technical issues pretty much sprung up on machines that Barnes' sold. Coincidence? HIGHLY doubted. He asked them to make changes and things broke. He will admit that (at least he did to me). Is this what happened to the RPM when Robert started having them make them into Mustangs? I can't say, but Alan's neighbor had to change out a ton of components and Alan didn't.

Granted, I'm SURE it's not Robert's fault... just ask him (or wait for him to chime in).

Printex, a new manufacturer, and in fact of hindsight their models were all beta or concept models, the faults were there from the manufacturer from the start even from Roberts alterations right or wrong could not be proven to go down hill with the changes. The claims that Robert destroyed them makes me ask the question: where are all the Printex machines running sweet with out modifications, before Robert came along. Second, if the mods were no good, then why has Printex adopted those mods albeit with tweaks as ongoing in their lines? Those technical issues have been on all models sold, that's the whole beginning of beta machines. No coincidence, reality.

RPM and Mustang, solid years of production, machines with 5 to 10 MILLION prints on the counters and people trading up to newer machines. They at a point made changes and tweaks between Rhino and RPM, and with component changes along the way, some didn't work and alterations were made, and overall classed a solid machine with reputable history. 2M are making changes again with their models and what they can make and as they tweak, like all manufacturers there may or may not be some alterations albeit minor made. I recall MnR making changes, finding a faulty batch of components on one machine, and going back through and supplying everyone parts to put it right. Thats what people do. Not even close to Toyota recalling 8 million vehicles but!
These changes, some aree in conjunction with Robert, some were in the Pipeline and likely in conjunction with Rick or and by Mariusz and Weiss own developments even before Robert started trying to get orders for these. You are trying to make smoke where there is no fire..... This is no comparison, not even close. Would Robert claim that 2Ms and even Ricks developments were his. Wn input or drive, of course he would. In part he. Is right, there are some good ideas onboard that are being pushed where technology cann be utilized to make the machine more functional with less downtime. And faster makeready and changeovers, which increases output and profit. The aim is not to strip this back and make it into an entry level machine, but to make this even better as the best in its class by continuous improvement and development.