What is the actual difference between RPM and Mustang??????

GraphicDisorder · April 11th, 2012, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Firstly, buy off Rick, no problem at all there.

Second, Robert wasted your time? You waste your own time. Add it up and it will be hours a week chasing and posting, probably on your form added up would be a good couple of working weeks every year. Imagine not wasting that and hopping on the phone selling or pumping out production. You are like an addict trashing Barnes with a blind loyalist fervor normally reserved for English Football Hooligans. Broken Record......

What basis do you even have to make such a statement I bet I don't spend even 10 minutes a week on this ****. I type extremely fast and work at a computer all day.

You have no basis to call me a blind loyalist. I have recommended several brands of presses both before and after my M&R purchase. Hell I almost bought a Anatol.

Just because I don't want people getting rippled off by a PROVEN rip off artist doesn't make me a loyalist of any brand, just someone that cares about people.

californiadreamin · April 11th, 2012, 07:21 AM

Printex builds a good machine! I have seen one up close and was impressed
with there thought pattern,quality of machine! Printex was sold as the next
thing since "sliced bread", the "coming messiah",etc. It was "Promised" as
much more, but delivered "much less". Building a automated screenprint
machine is not difficult for one who has certain knowledge!The basic premises
are common in every day industrial automated applications! Making a machine,and making money are two different things! Printex did not have the
support, commitment,focus on the USA side to make it happen and it showed! Early on, the USA side was on a "trip around the world" to reinvent
the wheel! At Precision Screen Machines of N.J. they built lots of "one off
machines" for the Screenprint Industry. Where there issues? Sometimes! But
they addressed the problem one at a time, IN A TIMELY manner,until solutions were implemented. They were in business for 40 years plus or minus, and went out of business for "Bringing Better Technology" to the
screenprint industry, which on paper worked, but in a "print shop application"
SUCKED! Mostly Electronics. As Far as 2M, this is their soil. Where are they?
They no doubt built a good machine, but time will tell if they still do! They
should not depend on this "new relationship'' to put them on the map! 2M as
a company, should be PROACTIVE and protec their "good name and product",
by being in the forefront, not the rear! IMHO...
winston

tonypep · April 11th, 2012, 07:34 AM

I believe I had the original Versaovals, round the corner from Patterson. I'd show up and boom another machine on the floor. So eventually we had like three or four. Tricked out to run 2,200 imp per hour with an 11 person crew. It was a 3 mill Newport cigarrette promo contract. But when a press would go down that's a lot of people standing around!

californiadreamin · April 11th, 2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tonypep

I believe I had the original Versaovals, round the corner from Patterson. I'd show up and boom another machine on the floor. So eventually we had like three or four. Tricked out to run 2,200 imp per hour with an 11 person crew. It was a 3 mill Newport cigarrette promo contract. But when a press would go down that's a lot of people standing around!

Hit Tony!,
I remember them well!
I spent a lot of time on those,
as well. You could hit some numbers
with them. How would you like runs of
yesterday, today! At yesterdays rates! I
rember selling Tommy Grimes a machine
and he paid it off in three months!
Winston

tonypep · April 11th, 2012, 08:43 AM

Winston, Wasn't Tommy the owner of Silkworm? He had a factory right down the street from me in Mt Pleasant, SC. I believe he had the Camel cigarrette contract (Camel Joe). I remember Tony Santini and all installing a couple of new V/Os and some belts at the Nike Sports Graphics in Gvlle NC. Myself and one of my electricians almost died when we tried to unplug the flashes and made ground.
Those runs are still out there in isolated plants around the country and of course offshore. It was quite boring but profitable. All I did was unload and load the trucks all day!

californiadreamin · April 11th, 2012, 09:08 AM

Tony, yes it was Silkworm! He was printing the end of
Panama Jack! Dave Blake, one of my best friends,buds in
the world, who now works at M&R, then became the
King off Panama Jack, printing 24/7/365 !

Gilligan · April 11th, 2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Would Robert claim that 2Ms and even Ricks developments were his. Wn input or drive, of course he would.

If he wants credit then shouldn't he also take the fall, when it blows up in his face?

Where are the Printex's that run well? I guess all in Europe like this guy:

Printex Prism review

Where are the US customers that are happy?

Where are the European customers that aren't happy? Like you said, don't create smoke when there is no fire. To say that all the Printex's are having problems and are junk would mean that there should be other non-US based customers that aren't happy. So far only ones that I know of are the ones that Robert worked with.

Are you subscribing to the "it's not Robert Barnes' fault no matter what" philosophy that he lives by now too?

GraphicDisorder · April 11th, 2012, 11:19 AM

Smells like BS, and where there is the smell of BS it must be BS.

Keep in mind, and I don't mean to be a prick here Printwizard, but YOU have a agenda and it IS clouding your perception.

What I do know is anything he touches turns into some level of ****. I have no problem faulting 2M for allowing that to happen. That either means they are too ignorant to know it, or too arrogant to think it wont happen to them too. I see no positive in either scenario.

Much my same opinion of Playtex from day one, before buying ANY auto, before even talking to M&R, and not to be blunt....but I TOLD YOU SO.

Printwizard · April 11th, 2012, 06:31 PM

No, i am saying Barnes is one thing, Printex is another thing, and RPM Mustang is another thing. You cant blame 2M for Printex. And some of the things that have gone wrong and been sorted happen on all brands. Brandt, please tell me the open issues not sorted as of today on ANY RPM or Mustang? Its not that you care, you are just being a nieve shitstirrer with regards these two machines. Gilligan. I regularly talk a little with Artex - Miso Jevgenijevic, and our European franchise know of some other Printex machines. I know a few things not posted, and that I wont post. Graphic, there are a lot of skeletons around some of the manufacturers. Nobody wants the drama and stress of conflict, but if you knew some of the stories, listened to some tapes, saw some photos, read some documents and quotes you wouldnt be half as blinkered as you are now. There are a lot worse than 2M. I wouldnt want the legal nightmare. But there are many out there who know some skeletons..... Price gauging, Damaging machines, Faulty and no-fault parts replacements, deliberate damage during service, not servicing after minimum gaurantees, not servicing second hand near new machines, Software issues, Software supplied under spec and slowing the machine down so it wont run as fast, Sharing confidential company financials and customer data used when financing, selling machines not to specification, delaying service and parts supplies to certain customers, prices to some $60k over others who have had brand history and loyalty, refusing to service a 2005 machine just out of warranted parts supply period because they acted as a show shop also for a competing brand, helping poach sales staff and production managers for new factory getting new machines, grossly undervaluing trade-ins and buying back and re-trading the equipment 30k higher the week following, and a few that I would not mention because its too complicated or close to home. I know of nine people with "lists", and I am not about to compromise them or myself ever with details of whom, what, where, which brand in which case. As you often say "Preston thought he was the smartest person in the room". Dont throw stones in glasshouses. I dont know any industry that is as dirty in parts, some recent and some older history, and some unbelievable. In part from ex-staff ordered to do stuff, kept the photo and answerphone messages to protect their butt, first hand. Some amazingly good stuff and people, but yes, defintely illegal, unethical and dirty some manufacturers AND/Or their agents are, and still now, not just a long time ago, but currently too.

GraphicDisorder · April 11th, 2012, 06:51 PM

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No, i am saying Barnes is one thing, Printex is another thing, and RPM Mustang is another thing. You cant blame 2M for Printex.

What are you talking about, nobody is blaming 2M for Playtex. I can though blame them for selecting Barnes as representation in the USA. Hell if YOU CARED about their future you should too. But hey maybe YOU are not seeing the forest for the trees. BTW are you making this up as you go or are you that lost? Please advise?

I never said anything that resembled that statement at all. I said clearly "I have no problem faulting 2M for allowing that to happen. That either means they are too ignorant to know it, or too arrogant to think it wont happen to them too. I see no positive in either scenario. "

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And some of the things that have gone wrong and been sorted happen on all brands.

Who EVER said they didn't? You? Nobody cares that manufactures have problems from time to time. They care how they react to them. Seems that your buddy has a history there. It seems to travel with him from one smoke show to the next.

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Brandt, please tell me the open issues not sorted as of today on ANY RPM or Mustang?

What does this have to do with my statement, the douche just started this mess, give him sometime, it wont be long before he leaves someone with some sort of a problem. Remember he Almost left Teds with leaky choppers. A machine guru mind you.

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Its not that you care, you are just being a nieve shitstirrer with regards these two machines.

Really? You are qualified to tell me what I care or don't care about now? You are amazing. LOL.

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Graphic, there are a lot of skeletons around some of the manufacturers.

Nobodies perfect, karma works things out though. Companies end up where they should be by the whole of their business wouldn't you say? I mean if you screw people 90% of the time you will find yourself out of business in no time. If you are awesome to people 90% of the time you will find yourself in much better shape, maybe the best shape if your competitors are doing something "less" than that...

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As you often say "Preston thought he was the smartest person in the room". Dont throw stones in glasshouses.

Sounds like a Gilligan or Alan quote, not mine.

One fact remains. If 2M/RPM was going to take over the screen printing world, they would have already done so by now. They had honest representation, good service, good track record in the USA. You can pretend all you like that Barnes wont dent 2M's reputation but you know deep down you are kidding yourself. What is most comical about all of this is it will hurt your sales of the presses as well. You are a sales man of them now right? Yes all the way over there in Europe it will affect you. People talk, even over big open water masses. That's my opinion anyway... what do I know I called the Playtex flop as soon as I heard who was pushing it. "I told you so".