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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is the actual difference between, the name, the paint, and the company representing them in the US. Just curious. There has been a ton of bang bang, boom boom, but let's hear what makes the Mustang better or more appealing than and RPM or vice versa. The RPM is obviously a machine to consider, Alan has the proof running every day. Obviously the Mustang is built in the same plant with the same parts, just labeled and painted different. Whats the actual difference? Play nice here, this is a legit question about two pieces of quality equipment.

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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I can't comment on any of the machines that have yet to be installed, but the only mechanical difference in the two mustangs currently in use and my press is the mustang uses proximity sensors and flags to control print length where the RPM uses an encoder within the printhead drive. No big deal either way. I love the encoder way but the proxi sensors work just as good and is as fast, just not as fancy.

The new mustangs were supposed to have a new print head control panel and servo lift but the first two did not. Maybe the next ones will have the additions that were being touted on the forums.
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What is the actual difference between, the name, the paint, and the company representing them in the US. Just curious. There has been a ton of bang bang, boom boom, but let's hear what makes the Mustang better or more appealing than and RPM or vice versa. The RPM is obviously a machine to consider, Alan has the proof running every day. Obviously the Mustang is built in the same plant with the same parts, just labeled and painted different. Whats the actual difference? Play nice here, this is a legit question about two pieces of quality equipment.

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Not sure they have ALL the same parts.

I might be mistaken but I think Alan's worked just fine right out of the "box". I heard his neighbor was not so lucky and had to have a bunch of parts changed right away.
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I can't comment on any of the machines that have yet to be installed, but the only mechanical difference in the two mustangs currently in use and my press is the mustang uses proximity sensors and flags to control print length where the RPM uses an encoder within the printhead drive. No big deal either way. I love the encoder way but the proxi sensors work just as good and is as fast, just not as fancy.
When I first saw Alan's machine I was really impressed.

I opted out for another brand...but in the end was able to get a Mustang.

So far I love it...I am doing smaller jobs..learning the whole system.

One thing I received that Alan doesn't have is a spare parts kit.

My saleman was good on his word!
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When I first saw Alan's machine I was really impressed.

I opted out for another brand...but in the end was able to get a Mustang.

So far I love it...I am doing smaller jobs..learning the whole system.

One thing I received that Alan doesn't have is a spare parts kit.

My saleman was good on his word!
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Prolly had to install them yourself even. Poor support from the word go I suspect.
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Prolly had to install them yourself even. Poor support from the word go I suspect.
Actually did not need them yet.

They were sent just in case.
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You had leaks on install though, that your "guru" would have LEFT you with if it wasn't for Gilligan. Just sayin'.

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ok ok ok, just asking technical and mechanical questions, let's not get our panties in a waad. Thanks Alan, I think what is great is you have taken the time to post vids and give honest feedback on your machine since there isn't a lot of exposure for the RPM on the web from shops, Maybe over time some other owners will as well. User experience and testimonies are always the best way for people to gauge the machines and see which ones are worth the money to take a trip and visit if there isn't one close to them. I do love to see total machine control at every print head. As a small shop with a pretty decent output I would love to have control at all heads instead of having to swing a panel around, it can be a p.i.t.a., but that said, when we bought we were looking for the most that we could get for around 30k. I couldn't be happier with our DB, but it is getting closer to that time for a move up or addition. One feature I'd love to see on more machines is the lifting print arm like the MHM, but that is obviously a complete re-design. Alan has told me that he has had excellent service and little to no issue with his RPM which is awesome. We have had little to no issue with our DB.

So back to main topic. There really isn't a big difference from the stang to the RPM besides the few above mentioned points?
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Old April 10th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Ok, pretty much they have the same parts. As Alan mentioned these have prox sensors as RPM are allowed use on the encoder which is a patent owned by MnR, so the flag proximity system is basically used by every other brand and manufacturer globally. As things become obsolete or new to market 2M will adapt the machines built with some componentry, there was a failure, and parts were replaced. Happens occasionally to all manufacturers, and if there is a problem it is corrected an a new fit or alternative or modification saught. Mustang is no different to many other presses, and the same as RPM I imagine, in that the servo lift is a new feature, and as such is optional at an extra cost, like it would be on other MFGs. Another variance is the Mustang is a bigger print format. There may be slight pricing (Margin) variations also, and in part comes down to who you are comfortable dealing with and who answers the phone when you ring at 7pm or a Saturday Morning. There will be other features in time and there will be basic no frills, or trade up options in the purchasing process. There will be knockers (GraphicDisorder) who will never buy one, fine, and stop whining. But I do want to point out, these are not all Barnes inventions, but componentry and features already used in other machines, industries, as bought in parts from engineering and electrical wholesalers, and logical development features talked about by printers or borrowed designs from oth industrial applications, like what may be used in offset or another machinery process then adapted by 2M for their machines. 2M develop just like TAS, MHM, MnR etc, some to lesser or more extents and the conspiracy theories are moronic just because of one person representing this manufacturer. If another Brand had an agent who developed some mental illness they would think it sad, may shy away from that distributor, but they would not kick the manufacturer or brand. Not everyone associated here are bad, there are some good people, like with all companies ;-)

And I'm not saying Robert is certified crazy. Just you can't judge the machine by the agent. You judge the machine and manufacturer separate to the agent. I think the right purchasing contract and doing it with 2M is risk free, they would not let disaster happen in their own back yard. PM me if you want to talk through.

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