You guys might be right!! Is it time to check out the Mustang?

Printwizard · March 30th, 2012, 03:09 AM

Well I think in terms of value the 2M machine is great, either the RPM or mustang. You could safeguard yourself by paying 2M and they can credit Robert back his margin on your install then you have managed your risk, some knockers will always knock, but I would talk to Ted too. Have a look at rpm if you wish, they don't come up for sale and hang around long. Weiss and Mariusz at 2M are passionate about seeing people right into their machines. I maybe wrong, and that's what you getasking questions on a forum, but I believe MnR make the best entry level in the diamondback and the ChallengerIII is the only rival to MHM at the top end, but I believe the 2M Mustang or RPM is better than the sportsman by a bit. Remember some people prefer end clamps, and others side clamps, and I will argue side clamps forever in most likely pointless opinions. It is your call, but I would check out a local independent tech or electrical engineers you may use and talk to 2M about support, they will reassure you.
If support is more important to you than machine and features then you can't go past MnR hands down. How much that rates in your decision is your call. I don't think it would be that big a deal breaker though. Alan has had no issues on his rpm I don't think in three years and as Mariusz is in USA I think any issue would be sorted quickly for you.

GraphicDisorder · March 30th, 2012, 06:14 AM

Folks the Mustang already has more issues then the RPM. Ask yourself do you want Robert as your service guy. Forget the rest. Remember he has walked away from several deals already and crashed a few companies. If you ignore that.... More power to you.

Binkspot · March 30th, 2012, 07:26 AM

They are all Bobby cut and paste responses, he has drunk the cool aid. For the record so did I but was able to see the light before the space ship arrived.

GraphicDisorder · March 30th, 2012, 07:38 AM

I am happy I was able to smell the stink before he even came in the shop. LOL

inkman996 · March 30th, 2012, 07:58 AM

Just discovered another very dangerous problem with my Printex yesterday, nearly ended up with a major head injury ugh.

I think I will post a pic or two later to show what I am talking about.

californiadreamin · March 30th, 2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Well I think in terms of value the 2M machine is great, either the RPM or mustang. You could safeguard yourself by paying 2M and they can credit Robert back his margin on your install then you have managed your risk, some knockers will always knock, but I would talk to Ted too. Have a look at rpm if you wish, they don't come up for sale and hang around long. Weiss and Mariusz at 2M are passionate about seeing people right into their machines. I maybe wrong, and that's what you getasking questions on a forum, but I believe MnR make the best entry level in the diamondback and the ChallengerIII is the only rival to MHM at the top end, but I believe the 2M Mustang or RPM is better than the sportsman by a bit. Remember some people prefer end clamps, and others side clamps, and I will argue side clamps forever in most likely pointless opinions. It is your call, but I would check out a local independent tech or electrical engineers you may use and talk to 2M about support, they will reassure you.
If support is more important to you than machine and features then you can't go past MnR hands down. How much that rates in your decision is your call. I don't think it would be that big a deal breaker though. Alan has had no issues on his rpm I don't think in three years and as Mariusz is in USA I think any issue would be sorted quickly for you.

The 2 M machine is a great machine! If that is the choice, buy it from RPM.
If Weiss and Mariusz are passionate about seeing people right with thier
machines, they should have considered this belief BEFORE they got they
got in bed with RWB. This choice could be their "millstone" around their
neck. The poster CLEARLY is on a "fishing expedition" rather than a "honest"
opinion. Will it be Printex next week? Support is critical in this industry! If
I have to "roll the dice" I would rather be in Vegas. Where do Printex customers stand TODAY! Not TOMMOROW? Where is their "brick and mortar"
building with spare parts? Where is the HONEST effort to concretly fix/repair
past and current issues. I am going to see Leon next week, lets see how his
family feels! Good Intentions Do Not Pay The Bills. Is 2M now entangled in
a "fatal" web? Why was RPM treated this way? He is a good guy? If I were
him, I would "knock off" the the 2M machine and let them enjoy their new
affair! Rick is a smart dude! He could do it! Alan is a "Blessing" to this industry, as are most "Others" on this board. I am proud of all of them for
making sure, this industry stays Healthy!
the winston

Printwizard · March 30th, 2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by californiadreamin

The 2 M machine is a great machine! If that is the choice, buy it from RPM.
If Weiss and Mariusz are passionate about seeing people right with thier
machines, they should have considered this belief BEFORE they got they
got in bed with RWB. This choice could be their "millstone" around their
neck. The poster CLEARLY is on a "fishing expedition" rather than a "honest"
opinion. Will it be Printex next week? Support is critical in this industry! If
I have to "roll the dice" I would rather be in Vegas. Where do Printex customers stand TODAY! Not TOMMOROW? Where is their "brick and mortar"
building with spare parts? Where is the HONEST effort to concretly fix/repair
past and current issues. I am going to see Leon next week, lets see how his
family feels! Good Intentions Do Not Pay The Bills. Is 2M now entangled in
a "fatal" web? Why was RPM treated this way? He is a good guy? If I were
him, I would "knock off" the the 2M machine and let them enjoy their new
affair! Rick is a smart dude! He could do it! Alan is a "Blessing" to this industry, as are most "Others" on this board. I am proud of all of them for
making sure, this industry stays Healthy!
the winston

Hi Winston, I don't want to second guess or speculate or repeat what I have been told in depth, but the short of it is Robert had some kind of relationship with 2M sometime in the first generation Rhino days, and back then to when or what level the relationship was ok. Skip forward and Rick took over the distribution of the modified line under the RPM badge, and he grew his business and service quite well, but got to an awkward stage of flat out busy, but not taking people on to grow and cope. The result being that RPM didn't return every call, maybe the service level lagged a little and maybe they lost sales, maybe they didn't, but the once personal and prompt service got a bit of dwell time to it. So up pops Robert again, random conversation, he's trying to sell automatics and across multiple brands, meanwhile 2M want to recover more sales and pick up the lag that has developed, their previous dealings with
Robert were not so bad and they really need sales, so along comes the modified Mustang with. Larger print format etc, new badge and colour but in most other senses it's the same machine as the RPM. Robert gets lots of attention, a couple of quick sales on the board, and that is what 2M need. I got a 2M agency for essentially the same badged Mustang and will bring one down here sometime soon and Mariusz will come do the install.
I am not defending Spiderman, I'm defending 2M. Tough call, but they needed more sales than Rick was putting through and they were loosing some prospects, Robert no matter how much anybody dislikes him still manages to get sales and solves their problem picking up what Rick couldn't or wouldn't with RPM. Now Robert will scare and Polarise, but his videos will bring the machines to people's attention and if Rick could make the time he may end up mopping up sales of people where Robert generated interest and PR and hype, but they were after a safer purchase and go through Rick, in that case it still solves 2M sales
Pipeline and budgets.
I feel they are different people, quite earthy and proper and a lot like Rich. I have never met Andrew from Printex, but I could not feel they would let any problem drag on their machines. They are differ people behind what they make where Printex is not honorable and didn't care. major difference. I think
Robert knows he wouldn't get away with anything with them so he just has to do the deals in the proper manner.

inkman996 · March 30th, 2012, 09:43 AM

Wizard I agree with what you just posted, I always thought Rick being a one man show essentially would eventually need to change so I understand 2M's need to open up the pipline for more sales. What shocks me is choosing Robert to do this when we all know there is other more reputable organizations that could have done this easily. While you are correct Roberts initial sales flurry and gorilla marketing might seem promising for 2M it is whats down the road and Robert pattern of leaving a disaster in his wake that should concern 2M. Hell I already lost respect for 2M and Printex for not doing something about Robert taking on new brands right under their noses.

Lets say hypothetically the new China press is widely popular and successful and the machines start rolling in like new Ipads off the shelf, imagine what that means to 2M's market share? Why would anyone buy a press for twice the money when they can get a hybrid Printex/Sportsman and probably Mustang as well for half the cash.

californiadreamin · March 30th, 2012, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Hi Winston, I don't want to second guess or speculate or repeat what I have been told in depth, but the short of it is Robert had some kind of relationship with 2M sometime in the first generation Rhino days, and back then to when or what level the relationship was ok. Skip forward and Rick took over the distribution of the modified line under the RPM badge, and he grew his business and service quite well, but got to an awkward stage of flat out busy, but not taking people on to grow and cope. The result being that RPM didn't return every call, maybe the service level lagged a little and maybe they lost sales, maybe they didn't, but the once personal and prompt service got a bit of dwell time to it. So up pops Robert again, random conversation, he's trying to sell automatics and across multiple brands, meanwhile 2M want to recover more sales and pick up the lag that has developed, their previous dealings with
Robert were not so bad and they really need sales, so along comes the modified Mustang with. Larger print format etc, new badge and colour but in most other senses it's the same machine as the RPM. Robert gets lots of attention, a couple of quick sales on the board, and that is what 2M need. I got a 2M agency for essentially the same badged Mustang and will bring one down here sometime soon and Mariusz will come do the install.
I am not defending Spiderman, I'm defending 2M. Tough call, but they needed more sales than Rick was putting through and they were loosing some prospects, Robert no matter how much anybody dislikes him still manages to get sales and solves their problem picking up what Rick couldn't or wouldn't with RPM. Now Robert will scare and Polarise, but his videos will bring the machines to people's attention and if Rick could make the time he may end up mopping up sales of people where Robert generated interest and PR and hype, but they were after a safer purchase and go through Rick, in that case it still solves 2M sales
Pipeline and budgets.
I feel they are different people, quite earthy and proper and a lot like Rich. I have never met Andrew from Printex, but I could not feel they would let any problem drag on their machines. They are differ people behind what they make where Printex is not honorable and didn't care. major difference. I think
Robert knows he wouldn't get away with anything with them so he just has to do the deals in the proper manner.

Hi Printwizard!
I am very happy for your new venture! You will do just fine..
2M makes a nice machine, and we all have to make the best
choices, that will hopefuly keep us in business. 2M will get a good
dealer/agent with Printwizard! IMHO I would name the said machine
"Printwizard" as the name "mustang" will only get you "hung like a horse"
at best! Would 2M make the same choice today, with what they now
know? That will be their legacy! Many think monies taken as deposits
were from 2M's competitor Printex. Rob Peter To Pay Paul! I also understand
Loyalty in relationships. I am a big fan of Loyalty! However if a relationship
becomes "TOXIC", One with an of ounce integrety, must then ask themselves
if the relationship is really worth it! I am sure 2M has or will cross this road!
I hope they make the correct decision! The videos will only hurt 2M faster!
It reminds me of printers who are printing at cost, but are going to make it up
in volume!
winston

pushing ink · March 30th, 2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

Just discovered another very dangerous problem with my Printex yesterday, nearly ended up with a major head injury ugh.

I think I will post a pic or two later to show what I am talking about.

Are you talking abouth the head falling from the up position down? The head rest pin and plate is CHEAP at best.