Anatol?

By eetherman on Apr. 03, 2012

Ok, So many of you know that we are in the market for a new or used machine. Anatol has become a part in our search. What has caught my eye is the step back program. Is this feature all it is cracked up to be? Does anyone here run a newer Anatol with this option? Also what is the chances of premature servo failure, if any? Seems that this would be hard on the machine over a period of time? Once again any input is appreciated.

Submitted by pushing ink on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 16:33

eetherman wrote:
Not once did I state what my choices were, there is where you took a wrong turn. I am including all and every machine in my search and not limiting it to one manufacturer. This seems to be the way I myself as a small business owner, prefers to conduct my business. For you to agree or (like) another post made by a clear M&R owner, stating that my business is a failing one, goes to show how much you appreciate this industry as a whole. The if your not running M&R your not a screen printer Bull sh*t is so completely ridiculous. I came here looking for information, not to get swarmed by cronies with M&R machines. Buy M&R or your an idiot right? Well I most likely will be the idiot. I could care less about the negative remarks made on this site and you could probably care less if I buy an M&R. So I guess were even.

Eetherman, I called and talked to you and wish you the best! I think you are a stand up guy. Buy what you want and print the hell out of some shirts.

Submitted by eetherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 17:12

californiadreamin wrote:
Why didn't you just say this at first! Your adgenda has been very clear
from the begining. You clearly have no intention listening to anything,
other than what you perceive to be true!
.

I've actually listened to allot But only the stuff that will benefit me and my business. Not the BS put out by others, I may feed into and have some fun but my intentions were to get peoples feed back on potential options. Guess I'm wrong for that. Maybe I should just do what everyone else is doing and not consider anything else. If I needed to know if I could afford a machine or if I actually thought for one minute that maybe I didn't need a 2nd one. Don't you think I would have started a thread about that. Unfortunately people on here judge before they know the real situation. Unfortunately I cannot do anything about that, so keep on judging. Soon I will have a new machine and wont need any more from the people here.

Submitted by Gilligan on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 17:34

Well, you got one thing wrong eee... You weren't swarmed by M&R cronnies... in fact everyone pretty much started their own conversation and pretty much dropped/ignored your topic.

As soon as we all realized that you were just being coached by Robert we all pretty much walked away from the idea of saving you from yourself.

"you don't need a hook for the worms to dance."

Submitted by 244 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 17:42

eetherman wrote:
Not once did I state what my choices were, there is where you took a wrong turn. I am including all and every machine in my search and not limiting it to one manufacturer. This seems to be the way I myself as a small business owner, prefers to conduct my business. For you to agree or (like) another post made by a clear M&R owner, stating that my business is a failing one, goes to show how much you appreciate this industry as a whole. The if your not running M&R your not a screen printer Bull sh*t is so completely ridiculous. I came here looking for information, not to get swarmed by cronies with M&R machines. Buy M&R or your an idiot right? Well I most likely will be the idiot. I could care less about the negative remarks made on this site and you could probably care less if I buy an M&R. So I guess were even.
Not what I meant at all. There are lots of manufacturers that make plenty of good machines and the choice is up to you. All was referenced as to who you were thinking of buying from. Good luck with your choice regardless of who it is!!!
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Submitted by Prosperi-Tees on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 17:55

I think the problem is Rich didn't contact him directly. That's the way Rich does it. If you're serious about getting a press, contact him, don't wait on him thinking he is gonna call you and give you some great deal. Contact him and negotiate directly with him. That's a great idea.

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Submitted by Prosperi-Tees on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 22:08

I think the step back is geared more toward their 5 color Titan and a 1 man small shop. I like Anatols feature sets. But I worry about service like Alan said.

Submitted by eetherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 18:13

Gilligan wrote:
Well, you got one thing wrong eee... You weren't swarmed by M&R cronnies... in fact everyone pretty much started their own conversation and pretty much dropped/ignored your topic.

As soon as we all realized that you were just being coached by Robert we all pretty much walked away from the idea of saving you from yourself.

Gilligan, you are another brilliant one. Never have anything informative and always one to criticize. I have honestly spoke with your buddy Barnes 2 times since ive started these threads. So think what you will.
Thanks and take your own advice and just ignore the rest of what I post.
Thanks

Submitted by Inkworks on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 23:30

Step back seems like a step in the wrong direction to me, but then so does the revolver program and flash-backs. Just burn another screen and buy a press with enough heads (if it's in your budget and fits in your shop) to print/flash in one go-around without stopping.

Submitted by eetherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 18:33

GraphicDisorder wrote:
2 times too many.

Ok, just to get this clear. Did you not talk with Barnes before you bought your machine?

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Submitted by screenmachines on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 18:44

eetherman wrote:
WOW, really? Do you know me have you ever even met me? Have you seen my business, do you know anything about anything. So now I'm going to fail because I'm considering something different other than the norm. BRILLIANT!!! you have got to be one of the dumbest F**KING people I have come across in awhile. Do me a favor and put me on your list, come give me a visit. I would like to see you in person maybe meet sometime. Then lets see your mouth run, and as for 244 apparently NEW business isn't important. I have never spoken one bad thing about M&R and I own M&R equipment as a matter of fact. Now apparently I have done or said something to offend Mr. Rich Hoffman. Was I really considering an M&R? As a matter of fact yes. Will I consider M&R now, probably not.

The point was you keep posting questions about machines, then people take time to give you their opinions and you shake it off. You seem to have your mind made up before people even give advise. You ask they answer, then you question every answer you get. Your like a puppet.... Who is pulling the strings?

"Keep the the ink moving and you make money..."

Submitted by eetherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 18:59

screenmachines wrote:
The point was you keep posting questions about machines, then people take time to give you their opinions and you shake it off. You seem to have your mind made up before people even give advise. You ask they answer, then you question every answer you get. Your like a puppet.... Who is pulling the strings?

OK, go back through all of the responses posted. All the good advice and answers show no response. That is because non is needed. I take what is written and use it in my decision. Take Alan for example he has made many valid points that have helped me along the way. Now you on the other hand tell me I believe to check out the Diamonback. I say im not interested not because its an M&R but because its not available in a 10 color 12 station. Then your hate post start. Am I missing something here?

Submitted by californiadreamin on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 19:13

eetherman wrote:
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I've actually listened to allot But only the stuff that will benefit me and my business. Not the BS put out by others, I may feed into and have some fun but my intentions were to get peoples feed back on potential options. Guess I'm wrong for that. Maybe I should just do what everyone else is doing and not consider anything else. If I needed to know if I could afford a machine or if I actually thought for one minute that maybe I didn't need a 2nd one. Don't you think I would have started a thread about that. Unfortunately people on here judge before they know the real situation. Unfortunately I cannot do anything about that, so keep on judging. Soon I will have a new machine and wont need any more from the people here.

My responses have been only meant to help you! You ask questions that
that can only give general responses. You say you have a Javlin and you run a sucessfull business. Why wouldn't you contact Manufacturers directly or
suppliers that you use and trust, instead of a public forum with bias on
whatever brand by people that you don't know and trust! Most small printers
have formed some type of relationship with other printers,suppliers,vendors
etc. Your question on the durability of the servo by someone who is running
pneumatic Javlin doesn't jive. Most printers who have servo systems, do
not know longetivity issues with their servo. The servo is the least of your
worries on a machine! Why not the printhead falling off! An automatic press
is a capital purchase. Show your business experience by contacting manufacturers,suppliers,trade shows etc.

Submitted by jmd on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 19:19

eetherman wrote:
OK, go back through all of the responses posted. All the good advice and answers show no response. That is because non is needed. I take what is written and use it in my decision. Take Alan for example he has made many valid points that have helped me along the way. Now you on the other hand tell me I believe to check out the Diamonback. I say im not interested not because its an M&R but because its not available in a 10 color 12 station. Then your hate post start. Am I missing something here?

EEE, you have to excuse alot of us here, when Barney is in the house it is very uncomfortable... what lies is he going to tell, what alias is he going to use, when is he going to talk to himself...many of us get a little crazy because we are tired of him doing harm to people, their business's and our industry. I would encourage you, (and I think others would agree) to do alot of research, visit the mfgs you are interested in, if you cant, then find out from them where there might be one of their presses installed close to you and try and visit them and pic their brain. I also believe we are saying, what ever you buy, new or used you are putting your business at risk if Robert is involved with your transaction or sevice in any way. Good luck.

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Submitted by screenmachines on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 07:56

eetherman wrote:
Ok, So many of you know that we are in the market for a new or used machine. Anatol has become a part in our search. What has caught my eye is the step back program. Is this feature all it is cracked up to be? Does anyone here run a newer Anatol with this option? Also what is the chances of premature servo failure, if any? Seems that this would be hard on the machine over a period of time? Once again any input is appreciated.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Please, people have more important things to do then listen to your BS. Goodluck in your failed business.

"Keep the the ink moving and you make money..."

Submitted by eetherman on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 19:57

californiadreamin wrote:
My responses have been only meant to help you! You ask questions that
that can only give general responses. You say you have a Javlin and you run a sucessfull business. Why wouldn't you contact Manufacturers directly or
suppliers that you use and trust, instead of a public forum with bias on
whatever brand by people that you don't know and trust! Most small printers
have formed some type of relationship with other printers,suppliers,vendors
etc. Your question on the durability of the servo by someone who is running
pneumatic Javlin doesn't jive. Most printers who have servo systems, do
not know longetivity issues with their servo. The servo is the least of your
worries on a machine! Why not the printhead falling off! An automatic press
is a capital purchase. Show your business experience by contacting manufacturers,suppliers,trade shows etc.

Well lets put it this way, I know the Progressive line, I own a Javelin and have serviced them for about 7 years now . There is one supplier that I know and trust. He sells Tuff and Progressive, one other supplier sells the Anatol line, that is why this thread came up. A possible opportunity to score an Anatol after it goes into his shop for a demo. This is just a possibility. Now as far as trade shows what will that show me? I used to run a Javelin at some shows for Bergmann group. You stand there and ask a few questions and guess what, they tell you what you want to hear. I need feed back from real users.

The servo as far as im concerned is the heart of the machine, you can live without a head or 2. If the head goes bump it over to the next and keep running. Servo goes dead in the water. Now the step back program was only appealing to me because we run tons of 24 to 48 piece runs. That is why our Javelin is perfect. 1 rotation 1 white screen=simple. Now if your replacing the screw, motor and other components every few years than you have a problem. That is why I asked the question I asked.

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