Spider Hype / garmentequipment.com feedbacks

The minimum was $50k and the last bid I saw was $75k. The deal should have been made. If is look like a skunk and smells like a skunk...............

The auctioneers were thinking big big bucks with no Credit cards or Paypal to reverse charges, and some of the bidders that thought they were going to get a great deal were screwed when they first added two whole days to bidding and then they apparently screwed more when thy did not close the deal on the minimum required bids.

I think a criminal agency should have a look at this business.

I would love to hear from someone that actually participated in this auction especially someone that placed a minimum bid and did not get the win

I'd be interested in hearing from some of the people who had their equipment in the auction as well as the bidders. I saw one lot that sold for quite a bit more than he was offered from this sites activity, which is surprising but certainly not reasonable. I know it's none of our business really but it would be a nice thing to know going forward. If it's not a good deal for anyone but the auction site then I think people should know. If it's really a win/win/win then great, get that info out as well. But I think we all are aware and definitely gun shy when it comes to a certain individual and we automatically expect the worst. It's certainly warranted in this case, I just wish we could all give the benefit of the doubt in the other direction instead of thinking it's all a scam.

I was interested in several of the items, so I gave them the "benefit of a doubt". This is not a bad idea of a way to sell equipment, but "as is" and no references doesn't work for me.

Seems like this is the way a lot of "brokers" do business though, not all of course. If you haven't physically put your hands on the equipment you have no business selling it in my opinion. This Auction site is a joke.

You mean like Lowery? But they were going to change the industry forever!

I agree with Graphic, if you haven't touched the machine, how can you represent it honestly. If the buyer is made aware that you haven't seen the machine and is ok with that fine, but your lack of personal knowledge should be disclosed going in, not after the fact.

AS IS, WHERE IS, WITH ALL FAULTS - All machinery, equipment, merchandise and other property (collectively, “Property”) is sold "AS IS, WHERE IS, WITH ALL FAULTS" with no warranties or representations as to title, fitness of purpose, quantity, quality, merchantability, state, condition, location, value or otherwise. In no event shall Garment Equipment Auction ("GEA") or the owner of the Property (“Consignor”) be responsible for correctness of description, genuineness, attribution, provenance, authenticity, authorship, or completeness. GEA, Consignor and Site Owner and their Representatives shall have no liability to buyer due to non-delivery of any item for any reason other than to return to buyer the monies deposited or paid for such non-delivered items.

I really really hope people are smart enough to read above. Notice they also place the seller at no fault or responsibility at all, in other words I can post up a broken piece of machinery and simply state it is running once delivered I am clear of responsibility. The auction site does not investigate any of the equipment so we are talking one big crap shoot, also one should notice they will not accept PayPal or credit card that is because they are avoiding charges being reversed and contested. It is crazy as hell people avoid avoid avoid you will get burned eventually.

I really really hope people are smart enough to read above. Notice they also place the seller at no fault or responsibility at all, in other words I can post up a broken piece of machinery and simply state it is running once delivered I am clear of responsibility. The auction site does not investigate any of the equipment so we are talking one big crap shoot, also one should notice they will not accept PayPal or credit card that is because they are avoiding charges being reversed and contested. It is crazy as hell people avoid avoid avoid you will get burned eventually.

Yep Inkman, anyone getting involved with Robert Barnes of garment equipment,spider machines,mustang printers get burned or ripped off!. No doubt about it as you know first hand being one of his victims.
You are correct about them not accepting credit cards...this screams red flag!!will get burned or ripped off!

I made this same argument a while back concerning a broker on this site who attempts to sell equipment they have no knowledge about much less seen in person to inspect. A poster or two in this thread reemed me for my opinion. What's the difference here?

For the record I agree. All of these scammers need to be brought to light but dont just choose the ones you don't like. If you have no knowledge and have not invested the time to inspect the equipment then you have no business selling it.

So am I the only one who has never heard of any of these "garment industry veterans"?

There are 2 rules live by when buying equipment in this industry.

1. You get what you pay for.
2. Unless you pay Robert Barnes.

I don't think anyone reemed you here, I as well as some others disagreed with your opinion of what brokers do and that there are levels of service, as well as price. More service, more cost. Guys like Bill provide more service than guys like Paul, and trust me, there is also a price involved with that added service, and sometimes it's really worth it, sometimes it's not needed. It's up to the customer and what they are willing to pay for.

If you're buying an auto, I'd advise buyers to go through a reputable broker like Bill, if you're buying used newman rollers or a manual press then you obviously don't need the level of service required for the auto. Or you could just spend a ton of time researching and gaining knowledge in all the equipment and how it works and do everything yourself. It's completely up to the customer as to what level of help they need.

Below is a direct cut and paste from Inkman posted in the thread I started. Would you not consider that a reem?

Brandt stated the same opinion above in this thread concerning brokers. Why not reem him? Just because you like Paul doesn't mean you should have a double standard.

There was no conditions in the post made by Brandt or others in this thread about brokers. Clearly stated if the broker has not seen, inspected and laid hands on equipment then they shouldn't sell it. Why not call them whiners? Why rip these auction guys? They are just "trying to make a living" right?

I am not trying to stick up for these guys but can't have it both ways.

"So this guy is whining about a guy trying to earn a living, I have heard good things about Paul on this site from some reputable people at that, not only that I have never seen a claim of him burning anyone. The man is trying to earn a living, he is researching a scouring for equipment that he can then target to the industry crowd, you think his time had no value what a joke. If you have such an issue with brokers then do not use them and
Leave them alone for dos sake, no one is forcing you to buy from one and you even had the chance to inspect a piece of machinery in person."

Agree 100%. But it applies to all brokers.

Now this sounds legitimate to me. Just my opinion but I would do business with Bill.

Looks like he junked up the SPOF site with used equipment ads. Either someone found a new unsuspecting patsy who is not from this industry or he has a willing accomplice. Oh well seems like not a single reply on any of it so no matter. Doesn't say much for those who run that site though.

Would you expect any less/more? LOL

I just can't believe their disclaimer absolves both the auction site and the actual seller of any post sale issues WTF! Holy steaming brown pile can you imagine dumping thousands of dollars on a piece and it does not even arrive or is not working as stated, and to add insult to injury not only will the seller make off like a bandit but Barnes and gang make a 15% premium.

36% for doing nothing but run a website pfffft F that people go with an established respected broker that actually visually inspects the major equipment they sell and backs it with guarantees!

Pretty sure he refers to that as "business as usual" lol

Looks like SPOF took them all down