Barnes Mustang /M&R bashing

inkman996 · March 9th, 2012, 09:30 AM

The vid was not really all that inflammatory for a Barnes post but I will say it was riddled with Hypocrisies end to end. He simply accuses all others of exactly what he is well known for. He needs to push M&R attachments as being interchangeable with his machines but he cannot actually admit the reason why this is so is because M&R is the most trusted and bought brand in the country, instead he eludes to M&R as having a monopoly on the market.

What I think about is Apple rejecting Flash and standing by that move, how many people predicted the demise of the IPAD because of no flash? Just about everyone, yet IPAD is still the strongest selling Tablet on the market, they did not bow down to other industry standards to sell their product, their product stands on its own and continues to dominate.

pushing ink · March 9th, 2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

Oh show shops, that went so well last time, lol.

Looks like I struck a nerve with that Harley comment, you see he doesn't understand at all the value of a brand, thus will never understand how to build one correctly. Harley while sure may not be the most reliable bike you can buy, but a Honda is not a Harley folks....we all understand that, he doesn't. People don't buy a Harley because it's reliable. They buy it because its a Harley, one of the great brands of america. People buy M&R because its proven, its priced fairly, its got a support system second to none, and its an american company.

BTW when did the economy crash again? He's been hobbling around on that "M&R needs to sell every press they can" BS for a few years now. Last I checked they are still doing business as usual and he can't even make a youtube without mentioning them. Winnar M&R. At some point, he really is going to need to find some new material on M&R. So far its been proven to be nothing but hot air.

The thing to remember is that Robert Barnes is in a federal lawsuit with M&R and he has RIPPED off customers and not supported what they did finally get. Also that the Mustang press has many issues already. I like the part where he was "asked" to put together this video by the people at Mustang, like who his alter ego? Robert only has Robert for installs and when he installed my press he used a ton of shimms and I have alot of issues with the presses that Robert Barnes sold me. Listen if you buy a press for RWB you have a good chance that you money will be stolen. If you where going to buy a Mustang a couple of things to ask is WHO owns the company and if they have parts available and WHO is in control of handling those parts.

I bought the "better technology than the M&R" and ended up buying an M&R after because Robert's press is cheaply built. Now Robert want's to use cheaper parts on the Mustang also.

Ask yourself if you want to take the chance of being ripped to save a few thousand dollars, I have lost over 80k and have less than presses and no service or parts, That is what Robert Barnes did to my company.

M&R came in afterward and FIXED our situation buy selling us QUALITY presses and EXCELLENT SERVICE and SUPPORT!!

M&R has hundred's of employees and 40+ service techs and the most important factor is that RICH HOFFMAN personally guarantee's the contract, try having Robert Barnes do that. Did I mention he is being SUED and his Progressive company was 6 weeks from banksupsy before Workhorse bought it.. ask them.

GraphicDisorder · March 9th, 2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

The vid was not really all that inflammatory for a Barnes post but I will say it was riddled with Hypocrisies end to end. He simply accuses all others of exactly what he is well known for. He needs to push M&R attachments as being interchangeable with his machines but he cannot actually admit the reason why this is so is because M&R is the most trusted and bought brand in the country, instead he eludes to M&R as having a monopoly on the market.

What I think about is Apple rejecting Flash and standing by that move, how many people predicted the demise of the IPAD because of no flash? Just about everyone, yet IPAD is still the strongest selling Tablet on the market, they did not bow down to other industry standards to sell their product, their product stands on its own and continues to dominate.

Value.of.Brand

srimonogramming · March 9th, 2012, 12:06 PM

I love the old Harley references all the time. The other day I was at the park with my son. It was 78 degrees outside, Saturday, and about every 5 minutes you could hear a motorcycle coming down the road. You could hear them from half a mile away, you know that sound, you know exactly what brand it is. Overall, I saw about 10 bikes go by and 9 out of those 10 were Harley's, and I thought of the times that Robert says that so many manufacturers make a better bike than Harley. While that may be true, why were 9 of those 10 bikes a Harley Davidson? Robert would have you believe that 9 of those people were idiots that don't have a clue about motorcycles. I think we all know that Harley may not be on the "cutting edge" of technology, but they build a bike that appeals to the majority of American bikers, it's very reliable, it makes people feel good, the sound is like no other, there are hundreds of reasons why people choose Harley over Honda. But some people would have you believe that one negative should cover up all the positives.

If I were buying a bike based on winning a cross country race, I wouldn't buy a Harley. If I were buying a bike for 50% off road riding and 50% road, I'd not buy a Harley. But what do the majority of bikers do on a typical ride? The Harley excels at doing what the majority of bikers want to do, and then put in what Brandt brought up with THE BRAND and you have a success that you cannot argue with. KTM makes a great product, Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha (one of my favorites), Suzuki, Triumph, Ducati, I could go on and on, they all do, but when it comes time for me to buy a road bike, I will be going down to the nearest Harley dealership and riding away with an HD, no damn doubt about it. It's not the fastest, the most reliable, the cheapest, the quietest, the smoothest, but I think I will get more gratification out of riding that motorcycle than any other and it's not even close.

californiadreamin · March 9th, 2012, 12:17 PM

Brandt,
Brand is important.
I love my Harley! I would also like a Bmw,Ktm
but in time,in time. A brand is only as good
as its support,service. Nothing wrong with a
Honda eithwr,but not my style.I have put on
a lot miles,and know lots of people who
ride Hogs and would not be caught dead rideing
with a Gullwing! I dont understand it.But they
are the ones that usually work behind a cubicle
and have all of the latest attire to look like a bad
azz on the weekend and ride five miles to a biker bar
owned by Hilton, and show their new skulls. I would
rather ride,anywhere,anytime,with anyone on any
brand! To each his own. The same applied to the
screen print industry. It does blow my mind how
two good companies choose their representation,
and might face big problems, if they are not care
full. Time will tell. it always does.
winston

GraphicDisorder · March 9th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by srimonogramming

I love the old Harley references all the time. The other day I was at the park with my son. It was 78 degrees outside, Saturday, and about every 5 minutes you could hear a motorcycle coming down the road. You could hear them from half a mile away, you know that sound, you know exactly what brand it is. Overall, I saw about 10 bikes go by and 9 out of those 10 were Harley's, and I thought of the times that Robert says that so many manufacturers make a better bike than Harley. While that may be true, why were 9 of those 10 bikes a Harley Davidson? Robert would have you believe that 9 of those people were idiots that don't have a clue about motorcycles. I think we all know that Harley may not be on the "cutting edge" of technology, but they build a bike that appeals to the majority of American bikers, it's very reliable, it makes people feel good, the sound is like no other, there are hundreds of reasons why people choose Harley over Honda. But some people would have you believe that one negative should cover up all the positives.

If I were buying a bike based on winning a cross country race, I wouldn't buy a Harley. If I were buying a bike for 50% off road riding and 50% road, I'd not buy a Harley. But what do the majority of bikers do on a typical ride? The Harley excels at doing what the majority of bikers want to do, and then put in what Brandt brought up with THE BRAND and you have a success that you cannot argue with. KTM makes a great product, Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha (one of my favorites), Suzuki, Triumph, Ducati, I could go on and on, they all do, but when it comes time for me to buy a road bike, I will be going down to the nearest Harley dealership and riding away with an HD, no damn doubt about it. It's not the fastest, the most reliable, the cheapest, the quietest, the smoothest, but I think I will get more gratification out of riding that motorcycle than any other and it's not even close.

Exactly.

Evo · March 9th, 2012, 12:24 PM

I made it all of 15 seconds through that video. I can't even stand his voice.

It doesn't matter that he's talking about Mustang or any other brand. The fact is for me, (and I'm sure it's the same with many people) - I would never buy what he's selling.

If he became the sole sales rep for M&R, I would look for another brand.

GraphicDisorder · March 9th, 2012, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by californiadreamin

Brandt,
Brand is important.
I love my Harley! I would also like a Bmw,Ktm
but in time,in time. A brand is only as good
as its support,service. Nothing wrong with a
Honda eithwr,but not my style.I have put on
a lot miles,and know lots of people who
ride Hogs and would not be caught dead rideing
with a Gullwing! I dont understand it.But they
are the ones that usually work behind a cubicle
and have all of the latest attire to look like a bad
azz on the weekend and ride five miles to a biker bar
owned by Hilton, and show their new skulls. I would
rather ride,anywhere,anytime,with anyone on any
brand! To each his own. The same applied to the
screen print industry. It does blow my mind how
two good companies choose their representation,
and might face big problems, if they are not care
full. Time will tell. it always does.
winston

I am with you for sure, id ride anything, it is about the ride. BUT, I dont think anyone could argue that when you get on a Harley you get a different feeling. People want that. They have developed the brand, others have tried to copy it. It's not worked on the same level. People may buy a Mustang, but ultimately it will be supported by Robert.

californiadreamin · March 9th, 2012, 12:35 PM

Alan,
Great words!!!
I forgot Triumph!
I would like a Royal Enfield made in India. Old,Old Scbool
I spent time lately with a RPM and it is sweet.
I hope they dont get up with "misconceptions" of a really
good machine.
winston

californiadreamin · March 9th, 2012, 12:36 PM

I hear ya.