Sell it but cannot SPELL it

minimalist · October 19th, 2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ24

This is the best post I have seen in a while! This is how I have been feeling lately! I am tired of seeing designs that the height is double the width and they want it to go on a hat with maximum height of 2". When people are "creating a logo for embroidery" please consider if you plan on putting it on hats! People say they created it just for embroidery yet the logo is so tall compared to the width that when you bring it down to 2" height all the detail is lost and they don't understand why. There are rules to embroidery but sometimes plain common sense can work too.

You're putting the design on the wrong hat. Haven't you heard of the 6 panel flexfit top hat? 12" in height with a flat bill fitting all sizes.

BJ24 · October 20th, 2012, 03:09 PM

Umm....minimalist. Did you read what I wrote

I am the digitizer. I get the order from the customer. So, if they want the design to be 2" height due to their cap frame, that is what I give them. Again, I am the digitizer so I am not on the production end. I don't see the hat, I don't pick out the hat, I don't run the hats.....I digitize what the customer wants.
So, if the customer can only run 2" height due to the cap frame constraints, there is nothing on my end I can do about it

BJ24 · October 20th, 2012, 03:10 PM

My point was that the customer has constraints of 2" height yet the logo which were "made for embroidery" are way to tall compared to the width. Get it???

BJ24 · October 20th, 2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by minimalist

You're putting the design on the wrong hat. Haven't you heard of the 6 panel flexfit top hat? 12" in height with a flat bill fitting all sizes.

Your answer makes no sense. I am not the one putting the design on the hat or picking out the hat. I digitize the design according to their cap frame constraints and what they ask for. I don't tell them what cap to order. That is between them and their customer.

minimalist · October 22nd, 2012, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ24

Your answer makes no sense. I am not the one putting the design on the hat or picking out the hat. I digitize the design according to their cap frame constraints and what they ask for. I don't tell them what cap to order. That is between them and their customer.

Calm down, I was kidding. A 12" tall flexfit top hat with a flat bill that fit's anyone? Doesn't exist, it was a fictional product and my attempt at sarcasm.

I've done up to 2 3/4 with a barudan on a hat. ZSK goes HAL9000 if you try anything over what's in the travel limit part of the machine software. I tricked it by telling the machine it was sewing a tubular frame (hopefully it will open the pod bay doors when I ask it to). Didn't really like it but it sewed a 2 1/2 " tall design. I'd prefer to tell customers that I can only do the 2x4 deal but they just go somewhere else so sometimes we have to ignore the limits and figure it out.

I'll agree that some people just don't get it as far as embroidery goes. I get a fair amount of parents that want their kid's name on a backpack. When I tell them I'm limited to around 3" wide they get bent even after explaining that the manufacturer really didn't leave me many options with all the small pockets on the front and inside attached to the area in which the embroidery should be.

minimalist · October 22nd, 2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Young

WAIT! you mean the thread is supposed to go THROUGH the needle?? WOW, no wonder my machine won't sew a lick.

I just use the force. That way you don't even have to turn the machine on. When a customer comes in I wave my hand and say "this isn't the embroidery you're looking for, move along". Helps if they pay first though.

Gilligan · October 22nd, 2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Young

I agree that a few years ago this could have been very true... but today with YouTube and Search Engines and Wiki options I would think anyone serious could learn quite a lot in a short period of time. The classes at any ISS show would also benefit anyone in the industry.

FYI... you just did it.

He said it seems like a secret society and no one wants to give up any information and you just pointed him to google and youtube without giving any of the information he was asking about.

I know you aren't being a tool and really meant what you said, but I was geeked up hoping to gleam a bit of insight as well from you and not some random search info.

Sorry, but I've googled my butt off and the info is still hard to find and no one wants to talk about it... this thread included.

Robert Young · October 22nd, 2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ24

Your answer makes no sense. I am not the one putting the design on the hat or picking out the hat. I digitize the design according to their cap frame constraints and what they ask for. I don't tell them what cap to order. That is between them and their customer.

while I am quite sure there are hats here in Texas that have 12 inch tall embroidery areas... we tend to joke a bit on here to offset our frustration on whatever is going on in the thread at the time...

we will chalk this up to you being in Seattle ... probably hopped up on so much caffeine!! lol

Robert Young · October 22nd, 2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

FYI... you just did it.

Oops, I guess I did, sorry about that... but I didnt really see an actual question I could answer in his post... I mean what are we talking about?

Minimum letter heights and line thicknesses depend on whether you are too cheap to use thinner 60wt thread and only offer 40wt? lol (kinda kidding, but not really)... also depends on if that lettering is going on a hat or a microfiber left chest, fleece, a sweater... a blanket... which font also determines the size for all these.. It is not difficult but there are a number of factors that go into successful embroidery that are machine , operator, thread, needle and digitizing specific.

Ask a specific question and I am sure there will be specific answers on here.

minimalist · October 22nd, 2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

FYI... you just did it.

He said it seems like a secret society and no one wants to give up any information and you just pointed him to google and youtube without giving any of the information he was asking about.

I know you aren't being a tool and really meant what you said, but I was geeked up hoping to gleam a bit of insight as well from you and not some random search info.

Sorry, but I've googled my butt off and the info is still hard to find and no one wants to talk about it... this thread included.

I would say there really is no set standard is why you don't find what you are looking for. My view is that if a person wants a name/design on a item I want to put it as large as possible. Why bother putting a name or logo on a shirt so small you can't read it.

Each font has different characteristics. I've found that the prescribed density and underlay for a certain font doesn't work well so I have to adjust the settings after a sewout. I then make notes of what works and what doesn't. Also I've noticed a slight difference between machine manufacturers on fonts as well. Hell, even certain fonts I won't use because I don't like the way they sew out. I really like free step in my Compucon software because of the dimension it shows and the durability of it.

You really have to spend some time just experimenting with all the parameters on scrap material to get an idea of what your machine will produce. I don't think you'll find that on many tutorials. Tutorials only give the basics.