Sroque machines ISS show Long Beach

arttex · January 21st, 2012, 06:22 PM

I always liked Sroque presses. Also their finishing and look is awesome. I've always wondered why they don't sell more of it in other markets. In Europe, Turkey is by far the strongest player in textile industry, I've visited some of the huge printing shops there, and haven't seen Sroque press. Not a single one. But it is probably because of those unique palette, squeegee, screen clamping systems as Robert mentioned. What a pity it is, they should really think about it.

RobertWBarnes · January 21st, 2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arttex

I always liked Sroque presses. Also their finishing and look is awesome. I've always wondered why they don't sell more of it in other markets. In Europe, Turkey is by far the strongest player in textile industry, I've visited some of the huge printing shops there, and haven't seen Sroque press. Not a single one. But it is probably because of those unique palette, squeegee, screen clamping systems as Robert mentioned. What a pity it is, they should really think about it.

OMG ... don't get me started ... the owner of sRoque -and- his programmer flew over a few years ago -and- we arranged for them to visit Castle Shirt Co. in the Greensboro area of North Carolina to review the M&R Alpha 8 -and- the M&R Challenger III ... ALL that effort -and- in the end sRoque decided they weren't interested in making the adaptations for the USA Market :-(

I am not a big fan of the honeycomb pallets -but- that's a whole'nother topic ... let me find the Flickr pic of the cast aluminum pallet that Imaves has :-))

RobertWBarnes · January 21st, 2012, 06:41 PM

Here are the cast aluminum pallet pics from Imaves ...

Really kewl -and- really strong ...

Carlos the owner of Imaves had me sit my FatAZZ on the pallet -and- he indexed the press at full speed <--- that's one strong indexer on the Imaves

Inkworks · January 21st, 2012, 07:06 PM

Where is a flash cure when you need one?

RobertWBarnes · January 21st, 2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by inkworks

where is a flash cure when you need one?

lol

californiadreamin · January 21st, 2012, 07:18 PM

Sorry you could not convince Sroque! My take on that would be that they probably looked
at the size of the perceived market, is it profitable for them to change their model, the amount of time and energy to change their product for your taste, is that really where they want to position there product, and most important...., their confidence in your ability to sell an amount of machines to there likeing and within what time period? They
don't have years for market penetration. Equally important is that, how smooth and trouble free are business transactions,and are their lots of happy customers. As I get
older I have learned to say no, more often than I use to. And now I am much more impressed when a company sticks to their core products/beliefs and does whatever they do very well and enjoys a reasonable profit, and has a good time doing it. I just looked
at your ScreenGear website for the first time and see you are how representing many companies! Congratulations! How did you convince them to make the changes to enter the
USA market, and how do they like those changes? Is it good for all?

winston

squeegee · January 21st, 2012, 08:10 PM

I would like to hear more information about Sroque...real stuff...

How are pallet changes done?

How do the printhead micros work as compared to MHM?

Do they use pins or bushings on screens like MHM? If so how do they differ?

What about the FPU? How does it work?

What stands out about Sroque more than other machines?

RobertWBarnes · January 21st, 2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by californiadreamin

Sorry you could not convince Sroque! My take on that would be that they probably looked
at the size of the perceived market, is it profitable for them to change their model, the amount of time and energy to change their product for your taste, is that really where they want to position there product, and most important...., their confidence in your ability to sell an amount of machines to there likeing and within what time period? They
don't have years for market penetration. Equally important is that, how smooth and trouble free are business transactions,and are their lots of happy customers. As I get
older I have learned to say no, more often than I use to. And now I am much more impressed when a company sticks to their core products/beliefs and does whatever they do very well and enjoys a reasonable profit, and has a good time doing it. I just looked
at your ScreenGear website for the first time and see you are how representing many companies! Congratulations! How did you convince them to make the changes to enter the
USA market, and how do they like those changes? Is it good for all?

winston

Hello Winston ... Manuel (the sRoque owner) told me his biggest concern was the weight of the rubber coated solid aluminum pallets -vs- the light weight of the honeycomb ... he felt that kinda index inertia would be entirely to strong for the bicycle chain -and- lasered sheet metal sprocket -plus- they only use one small registration bar to engage the lower part of the sprocket :-(

I think Imaves builds a more substantial product -and- Imaves is more technologically advanced with it's software and touch screen controls on each head ... with the uncertainty of the Euro -and- Portugal's financial crisis I am very concerned for both sRoque -and- Imaves

sRoque has installed a few machines recently at Fuse Box Designs in Canada ... so only time will tell where it goes from here :-o

Note: for obvious reasons ... Both Imaves and sRoque have had good success into Brazil with the common Portuguese language and hundreds of years of history

Winston ... I don't know if you like wine -but- Oporto, Portugal (the city you fly into to when visiting either Imaves -or- sRouqe) is world renowned for it's blends on wines -and- the ancient history of the city is definitely worth an extra day -or- twelve :-))

RobertWBarnes · January 21st, 2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by squeegee

I would like to hear more information about Sroque...real stuff...

How are pallet changes done?

How do the printhead micros work as compared to MHM?

Do they use pins or bushings on screens like MHM? If so how do they differ?

What about the FPU? How does it work?

What stands out about Sroque more than other machines?

I will email Dave Maynard a link to this thread ... let him chime in with answers to your questions ... maybe he could shoot some pics at the show -and- post them :-))

californiadreamin · January 21st, 2012, 08:51 PM

Squeege.. I would google Sroque and find their internet site.Also they have some
videos on You Tube which might answer some questions!

RWB.. I agree with the Euro being suspect. European manufacturing as we knew is
gone. Brazil will be the future market as well as other developing countries. Like you say
in the USA time will tell. It always does! And remember that even a broken clock is right
twice a day!

Imaves... I think you friend Carlos must have started as a designer in a waffle iron
factory. I think if times got real bad, he could attach a cal-rod to an upside down pallet,
mount them on a press,and turn out a $hit load of giant waffles fast!

I love Portugal...

winston