Flash diagnosing update

pushing ink · September 10th, 2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ScreenShip

Question ... can you post a pic of the burnt part of the black heat shielding ... I want to see if it melted beyond the sleeve ... below the black heat sleeve are high temperature wires <--- curious to see if the shield of those melted as well ???

Also ... we may have nothing more than a spotty SSR -but- we recently sent RockChick a bunch of new fans for one of her flashes ... they were a grainger swap out

None of you equipment works right! LMFAO!!

GraphicDisorder · September 10th, 2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

And there you go $hitting on this man's thread where he is trying to diagnose a problem.

Please don't bother replying on this thread I won't take it any lower. You can PM me if you want to discuss it.

Interestingly your post does the same as well. So right back at ya.

inkman996 · September 10th, 2012, 11:24 AM

Oh please lets not muck this up anymore. This thread has nothing to do with Printex work not work robert blah blah blah, its for the fact that we are scorching the crap out of poly and blends. If I can get this resolved I will lose several levels of stress everytime I need to print a large image on poly.

Robert I will post a pic in a while but I just went and checked in one spot the heat shielding is almost all the way through, you can see some of the texture of the high heat wiring. I didn't realize that was only heat shielding I thought it was the actual wire insulation. Regardless I think it will be safer to move the wires to the out side.

ScreenShip · September 10th, 2012, 11:33 AM

Mike ... here is a link to the fans that were sent to RockChick ...

http://m.grainger.com/mobile/details/?R=4WT33

Verify if they are a correct swap out on your flash and WebgURL can get them enroute to you ... let us know ???

ScreenShip · September 10th, 2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

Oh please lets not muck this up anymore. This thread has nothing to do with Printex work not work robert blah blah blah, its for the fact that we are scorching the crap out of poly and blends. If I can get this resolved I will lose several levels of stress everytime I need to print a large image on poly.

Robert I will post a pic in a while but I just went and checked in one spot the heat shielding is almost all the way through, you can see some of the texture of the high heat wiring. I didn't realize that was only heat shielding I thought it was the actual wire insulation. Regardless I think it will be safer to move the wires to the out side.

No problem brother ... lets focus on getting this thing working ... please do me another favor and take a pic of the flash in the head where you normally have it height wise (with the table raised) just curious to see if what Brian is saying about flash distance being an issue as well

I am thinking with the new SSR in the zone with the 4 bulbs and the 2 working SSRs in the other 2 zones -plus- 2 new fans and some height/power intensity/timer tweaks we may have at least solved one problem ... lords knows we owe you plenty more solutions -buy- a small victory here would be great

Also ... we finally have some Prism II containers heading over from Poland and the first one is a 12 color so there should be some extra space in that 20 footer for some pieces parts :-)

inkman996 · September 10th, 2012, 11:58 AM

Robert I took the pic of the burnt wiring as you can see you can just start to see the high heat insulation texture showing through. Oddly enough all that black shielding is melting if you touch it it sticks to your fingers all along the run. Probably not the right choice of material on Printex part.

I did get the SSR and I swapped it with zone 3 and did some scorch tests, I think but no where near sure that it is making a difference. The real test will be when we get a run going of poly and all the platens are piping hot. I would take another pic of the scorch but my camera is dead.

BTW a while back one of those fans crapped out on me, Brian pointed me in the right direction to swap it but I decided to monkey with the wires first to see what I needed to do to get it out and for some reason it started working again, nothing seemed loose but it is working.

inkman996 · September 10th, 2012, 11:59 AM

OOPs heres the pic

ScreenShip · September 10th, 2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

Robert I took the pic of the burnt wiring as you can see you can just start to see the high heat insulation texture showing through. Oddly enough all that black shielding is melting if you touch it it sticks to your fingers all along the run. Probably not the right choice of material on Printex part.

I did get the SSR and I swapped it with zone 3 and did some scorch tests, I think but no where near sure that it is making a difference. The real test will be when we get a run going of poly and all the platens are piping hot. I would take another pic of the scorch but my camera is dead.

BTW a while back one of those fans crapped out on me, Brian pointed me in the right direction to swap it but I decided to monkey with the wires first to see what I needed to do to get it out and for some reason it started working again, nothing seemed loose but it is working.

Mike ...The relay we sent is an italian relay and will probably last longer than the ones that are in there now ... since it is a total over kill type device ... please put it on the zone with the 4 bulbs (you may have done it already) no sure :-)

Also ... are you saying that you bought new fans already or just replaced one ???

Reason I am asking is I want to have the best chance of success on this test so we can figure out what is /was happening (removing variables) ...

Note: Please let WebgURL know whether to send1 or 2 ... but we need to have both grainger fans installed for our actual production run to be certain

Mike ... sorry you are having a problem -but- it feels like we might have made some progress (on many levels) thank you for taking the time to post all this stuff ... altough it means you are now a pawn star LOL

ScreenShip · September 10th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

OOPs heres the pic

I think it is sticky feeling because it is silicon

Binkspot · September 10th, 2012, 12:27 PM

If my memory serves me right I changed two if not all of the fans on that flash at the instal.