M&R Guantlet

Printwizard · March 20th, 2012, 09:53 PM

Lost me on the relevance between a second hand gauntlet price and the price of a new diamondback, I thought was ballparking to buy one machine, not valuing a company that's not for sale.

HMAPRO · March 20th, 2012, 10:01 PM

Well we all know M&R builds a good machine, we can read about it on all the industry forums.
What we do know about bronze bushings in this type of application is that if the installation of the press is not level it will certainly cause premature wear. What we also know is if the customer doesn't grease the main shaft regularly then it also certainly causes premature wear.
Now these M&R spokesmen/spokeswomen are probably reading into my previous statements, but the truth is there have been a lot of M&R presses on the market lately that have the main bronze bushing worn out.
Here is an interesting comment to consider, if there has been only one machine with this condition, then you still should educate yourself on how to determine whether the relationship of the main shaft to the table bushings are a problem on a machine that you are looking to buy at any price or any brand.

HMAPRO · March 20th, 2012, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Lost me on the relevance between a second hand gauntlet price and the price of a new diamondback, I thought was ballparking to buy one machine, not valuing a company that's not for sale.

Well, if you can buy a brand new M&R for approx 20 grand with a warranty and you can finance it for 60 payments, that's what 500 bucks a month.
Even if you paid 5 grand cash for a used Gauntlet, that's 10 months of payment on a new one, surely M&R will sell tons and tons of these Diamondbacks and further drive down the resale value of the Gauntlet.

BTW, when did M&R stop making servo/airhead Gauntlets anyways? Wasn't it early 2000's not late 2000's?

californiadreamin · March 20th, 2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HMAPRO

Make sure to check the relationship of the main shaft to table bushings, there are a lot of M&R presses on the market lately that have the main bronze bushing worn out with less than 1,000,000 impressions.
Keep in mind that replacing the main shaft bushings requires tearing the entire machine apart (est cost 10 grand or more with labor and transport)

Bad Bushings on a Guantlet! Bull$hit
I have worked on hundreds,not an issue with this press!

The Bumper · March 20th, 2012, 11:51 PM

Buyers Beware of Robert Barnes. He has changed company names many times over the years to elude the fact that he is not an honest person to purchase equipment from.
Feel free to contact the following posters on this board and ask them about their experience with him as he sold them equipment that wasn't as advertised as well as took money from 2 people and never delivered the equipment.
The proof can be told by these contacts below!

"pushingink"
"inkman996"
"binkspot" (former tech/installer of equipment)

and
Quote:
Originally Posted by Binkspot
Didn't that happen to some poor guy out on the West Coast about a year and a half ago? I remember seeing something about that here.
Leon Monfort
Skiva Grapics
Carlsbad,Ca
(760)802-6315
I talked to Leon yesterday. He is a great guy,pushing 70 years old.
Paid for 2 presses $150,000, Nothing! Leon is a personal friend,and
I dont like it with my friends get hurt. Leon prints 2 million shirts a
month. Leon's next stop! The Govenor's office The State Of South
Carolina. If you need lots of shirts printed fast and well, keep Leon's
name. He is a real Gentleman. By the way he put in NEW M&R's
and loves them! Let's stand up for Leon! Count me In...

winston

HMAPRO · March 20th, 2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by californiadreamin

Bad Bushings on a Guantlet! Bull$hit
I have worked on hundreds,not an issue with this press!

The Winston has spoken!

Nothing to see here, keep moving, keep moving

srimonogramming · March 20th, 2012, 11:58 PM

So now it's a problem when the press isn't properly maintained, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I'd be willing to bet a mustang, printex or falcon would have similar problems with the center shaft if improperly installed or not greased regularly enough. Problem is that there aren't enough of them out there with enough impressions or time and lack of maintenance to really know they have issues.

HMAPRO · March 21st, 2012, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by srimonogramming

So now it's a problem when the press isn't properly maintained, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I'd be willing to bet a mustang, printex or falcon would have similar problems with the center shaft if improperly installed or not greased regularly enough. Problem is that there aren't enough of them out there with enough impressions or time and lack of maintenance to really know they have issues.

You are wrong, The Winston has spoken!

There is not, nor never ever never was/is a problem, still nothing to see, keep moving.

Inkwerksspd · March 21st, 2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HMAPRO

You are wrong, The Winston has spoken!

There is not, nor never ever never was/is a problem, still nothing to see, keep moving.

Now introducing to the stage "Inkman and Jeff Saxby"

Clapping!!!!!

First question.

Can you guys please describe the problems that you have had with your machines?

pushing ink · March 21st, 2012, 11:22 AM

I was ripped off 80k by Printex and Robert Barnes, My M&R runs flawlessly everyday ALL day. My Printex runs and has problems. My Prism ll was sold by Barnes several times and we never received that press and M&R came to the rescue after I called Rich Hoffman and asked for his help. I will never buy any other brand than M&R PERIOD!!!