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Gilligan · April 1st, 2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Sorry Jeff, there is much I don't know, but if it is speculative it pays not to type it, it must be fact, you already realize that from dissing Rich, should learn...

Easy killer... that doesn't exactly jive with something you just posted:

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Attacking 2M and it looks like MnR asking you to do to them what Barnes had you do to them perhaps.

Unless, you KNOW this is fact... because if it was "speculation" then it's probably "pays not to type it". right?

Printwizard · April 1st, 2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

Unless, you KNOW this is fact... because if it was "speculation" then it's probably "pays not to type it". right?

correct, my apologies. I did say it looks like, and perhaps, but you are correct, it's speculative and implies to a reader something that is not proven to be the truth, but was trying to point out should all just keep to the facts....

Gilligan · April 1st, 2012, 11:00 PM

I read what was written... just felt it was "implying" too much without knowing anything... figured I'd do my part to keep us on "the facts".

GraphicDisorder · April 2nd, 2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

correct, my apologies. I did say it looks like, and perhaps, but you are correct, it's speculative and implies to a reader something that is not proven to be the truth, but was trying to point out should all just keep to the facts....

You forgot you were speculating here as well:

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Attacking 2M and it looks like MnR asking you to do to them what Barnes had you do to them perhaps.

You can't have it both ways dude....

GraphicDisorder · April 2nd, 2012, 06:57 AM

So since Printwizard want to deal with facts, here is exactly how I see the situation in facts:

Robert has been apart of and ruined many deals/companies. Fact.

2M knows that OR is ignorant to it OR arrogant that it wont happen to them. Fact.

2M picked/allowed him to represent them. Fact.

So I think it's safe to say we can all agree on those facts, given that, please tell me how that positively reflects on 2M in ANY way?

The ONLY saving grace there is that they do build a much better machine than the Playtex. But, there are great brands/products that fail all around the world on a regular basis based on poor leadership/sales staff/representation and so on. Add a ocean to that, sprinkle a little RWB drama, and you will certainly end up with something LESS than was possible. Sorry but I directly judge 2M for that. I said all of this about Playtex before they got their wheels spinning here in the US, hell before he had a chance to really mess it up here (RWB), and today I told you so just doesn't fully bring it home.

californiadreamin · April 2nd, 2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

Sorry Jeff, there is much I don't know, but if it is speculative it pays not to type it, it must be fact, you already realize that from dissing Rich, should learn.
Nobody is out of bounds if they are dirty. Robert may be dirty, and Printex, that's proven, but you could open up being sued if you are incorrect, not only that, it's just bad.

2M takes orders from Barnes, might make him a bad customer, doesn't make them a bad supplier. I could create a list of things and go on and on and on about another brands distributor I know, but the reflection is on the distributor, not the manufacturer. I happen to love the man and machine, just a big group has issues with the distributor. But that's two different companies. I could go on and on and on and make some mess, but that's not the point, but I could does not mean I should. Not fair to tarnish the MFG by their agent here.

I don't know anything of Ricks business, I think he runs a great business as nobody talks bad, the fact you say Robert brought stuff up may be his invention, and I wouldn't trust him not to have said it. I feel it's unlikely that 2M would have said anything to him or

condone it, it's not his busineness any more than its yours or mine, that's between 2M and Rick which if anything is likely the only two parties who will know. typing hearsay on a forum won't make it real.
All it does is prove is that you are an idiot for still listening and believing Barnes.
You will just get yourself in more trouble doing to 2M what you did unjustly to Rich. They aren't your enemy and they didn't do you wrong like Barnes and Printex did.
Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry that you were ripped off when you were so good to offer them a chance, and you did no wrong to them to get ripped off. I don't have any problem with you trashing the forum about Barnes and Printex, and even that he is representing the Mustang brand created, but 2M is different people who have done no wrong. No I don't know the history, happy for you to open it up, as long as its factually correct and not just speculation, and supposition or leading people to believe something that's not correct. I would protect you and your business and brand or anyone else's from lies and deceit where it is maliciously targeted and not deserved because guilt from action is different than guilt by association. If they fukup then I will hand you the stones to throw, I'll be the first, but until then.....

Hello Printwizard!
Great Post As Always.. I understand your position
RWB dodged the bullet with Rich, not because he
was proven inocent, but IMHO by a LOUSEY LAWER
on Richs side! RWB has however been convicted
in the court of Public Opinion. His sentence is
he has to pay back his victoms, and commit
no other offences. In the future he has to stop
with all the games,tactics ,schills,etc that got him
convicted by the court of Public Opinion in the
first place! I dont know about Printex, their
silence is deffining.Who knows what line of
bullschitt they have been feed? They should
sever their ties with RWB , and Publicly state
their position. As far as 2m, a tough road is
ahead,but not impossible! Unjust for them?
Probably! When bridges of trust are burned,
only time and action will MAYBE restore trust!
Unlike Printex, 2m has the choice and should also
heed obvious warnings. Public Opion usually
thinks "birds of a feather, flock together".
This perception will be 2ms challange! I hope
they handle this right, as they build a nice
machine!
winston

pushing ink · April 2nd, 2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

So since Printwizard want to deal with facts, here is exactly how I see the situation in facts:

Robert has been apart of and ruined many deals/companies. Fact.

2M knows that OR is ignorant to it OR arrogant that it wont happen to them. Fact.

2M picked/allowed him to represent them. Fact.

So I think it's safe to say we can all agree on those facts, given that, please tell me how that positively reflects on 2M in ANY way?

The ONLY saving grace there is that they do build a much better machine than the Playtex. But, there are great brands/products that fail all around the world on a regular basis based on poor leadership/sales staff/representation and so on. Add a ocean to that, sprinkle a little RWB drama, and you will certainly end up with something LESS than was possible. Sorry but I directly judge 2M for that. I said all of this about Playtex before they got their wheels spinning here in the US, hell before he had a chance to really mess it up here (RWB), and today I told you so just doesn't fully bring it home.

If 2M is willing to crawl into bed with Barnes and modify the RPM than get ready for the backlash! Poor Rick has to watch barnes mess up his product under a nother name and than LOSE business over the crap that won't work! You know the better technology and service and relationship.

Rick and RPM are the one's who will suffer as well as the Mustang customers, What and who do you think they will talk about when the Mustang goes under? They will compare it to the RPM and Rick.

2M is playing a dangerous game, I can understand that they want growth but becareful what you wish for you just might get it. The issue here is that The Mustang is promoted much like the Printex was, and reality is that this press has limited support if any, One PART time person assembles the press in chicago area, Parts could be a issue, And the fact that Rick from RPM has a contract with 2M and has the rights to this product. 2M is a company that is
is not honoring the exclusive contrct from RPM and is basicly causing unfair competion for Rick. In board terms they are F u c k ing RPM, to make money with a guy that rips off peoples money.

Printwizard, what is your beef with M&R and to think that 244 has asked me or implied in any way for me to post anything is crazy! 244 and I when we talk is strictly about my equipment and our new shop, he has more on his plate than to support a HACK like me on this site with information, funny thing is I have had MANY calls that people have filled me in with the TRUTH of Robert Barnes and 2M. I have a mission to let everyone know about barnes and his dealings. I will post 2m's email and you can ask them of their early dealings of lies and theft!!

Printwizard · April 2nd, 2012, 05:41 PM

For those who don't know, I tried getting quote of another brand, their agents were asked many times, never got a quote, that was when credit was easier and we had a 30k deposit at the time of asking first , two years later still asking we had maybe $60k and didn't get any pricing. I emailed and rung RPM and likewise never got called back. Recently I got to quote a mustang to a printer here, and the brand quoted against miraculously dropped their price by fifty grand! Then is the stories that came in when I exhibited at a tradeshow recently of service, and wait times. 2 months to get a quote, and six months from deposit to install. Of course there are better stories also, and satisfaction levels, but there is room for me here to represent another brand and competition in theory keeps a market honest. Roberts association will hurt me, but I am going up against other agents who hurt themselves in some cases. Mostly I don't expect to take many sales, but for some I could be a good fit with a good machine that I will stand behind. No, not interested in Roberts Chinese machines, even on consignment. Printex is dead, wouldnt represent them if I could. I doubt they will put right issues they have known about so long and will be restricting themselves to Europe. We will wait and see, be assured if something is not straight with 2M I will post it.