Robert Barnes

inkman996 · April 5th, 2012, 10:50 AM

Has nothing to do with M&R you fat piece of lard, its all about you and how you treat others, yes you deflect and blame it all on M&R support, sorry but its not the truth. Here you are threatening to attack Fuqua, M&R is not even in this conversation at all.

Gilligan · April 5th, 2012, 10:56 AM

Robert... I'm appalled... I didn't say a SINGLE word about you as a father and now you are dragging me into your BS!? Please stop calling and texting me and bringing me into discussions about your children!!

vicb · April 5th, 2012, 11:05 AM

I had to vote no because he needs to be called out on his lies and theft. Eventually his day will come and it will be because of exposure. He has resorted to sending letters to Rich Hoffman about his posts. I hope all of us get the same letter. Negative responses to all of RWB's posts serves a positive purpose for our industry.

Printwizard · April 5th, 2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

Robert there ^^ is a huge gaping hole in your M&R's to blame for all my woes theory.

Printwizard used to defend you on here everyday... now he doesn't trust you either... he isn't planning on getting an M&R... he's looking at getting rebadged RPM like you are trying to sell.

Can you explain that? (I know you won't bother)

I will still defend Robert if he makes a valid point that I believe in. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought. I don't really do the whole "in this or that camp" thing.
I know Robert isn't the figurehead, mentor or pillar that we need, but for the strength of any industry you need good leaders and front people and thinkers, like in government you don't have good governance without effective opposition. Now I don't see Robert as the ideal candidate, but I believe the industry does need others driving their message and pushing for other brands. I like Brandon actually. Never disses, knows Anatol weaknesses and pitches where they are stronger in a respectful way. Sometimes he gets caught out, learns, takes it onboard and moves forward. I do agree that there are brand loyalists out there and I will agree to disagree on some points all of the time with them. I mostly agree most of the time that Robert is a danger, but I will disagree that MnR is the way the truth and the life. Rich is amazing and I respect him, they make fine machines, and run a good business, but there are other options as well. Some of them not necessarily better but they will have a fit for some in the right circumstances. No industry is served well by a monopoly. Blind ignorance is best left for English soccer hooligans.

Gilligan · April 5th, 2012, 12:36 PM

But you do participate in that "camp" BS.

You accuse(d) everyone else of being in a camp all the time.

jmd · April 5th, 2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

I will still defend Robert if he makes a valid point that I believe in. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought. I don't really do the whole "in this or that camp" thing.
I know Robert isn't the figurehead, mentor or pillar that we need, but for the strength of any industry you need good leaders and front people and thinkers, like in government you don't have good governance without effective opposition. Now I don't see Robert as the ideal candidate, but I believe the industry does need others driving their message and pushing for other brands. I like Brandon actually. Never disses, knows Anatol weaknesses and pitches where they are stronger in a respectful way. Sometimes he gets caught out, learns, takes it onboard and moves forward. I do agree that there are brand loyalists out there and I will agree to disagree on some points all of the time with them. I mostly agree most of the time that Robert is a danger, but I will disagree that MnR is the way the truth and the life. Rich is amazing and I respect him, they make fine machines, and run a good business, but there are other options as well. Some of them not necessarily better but they will have a fit for some in the right circumstances. No industry is served well by a monopoly. Blind ignorance is best left for English soccer hooligans.

Then you also support the fact that Robert is a thief and will strike again with someone else. Aiding and abetting !

vicb · April 5th, 2012, 04:35 PM

What's our liability as responsible people if we let you steal from another hard working individual? Can we be liable for withholding vital information that would be in the best financial interest of said individual? Should we turn a blind eye as you prey upon and steal from people? It has always been a practice that small business owners warn each other of potential scam and theft. Sorry but you happen to fit the criteria.

BobbyBullshite · April 5th, 2012, 07:55 PM

This discussion is borderline-retarded.

1. Ban him.
2. Make one last end-all be-all thread where everyone tells their story so that new people have something to reference if need be.
3. Find a mod that will sit here and delete his new alliase attempts/posts after he is banned.

This way there is no "vital information" that is withheld and the douschebag is gone.
Anything less should be considered aiding and abetting, facilitating, etc.

Printwizard · April 5th, 2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jmd

Then you also support the fact that Robert is a thief and will strike again with someone else. Aiding and abetting !

No, missing the point. Sorry was tired and maybe I could have written it better. I mean I like the informative parts, and someone who looks and or acknowledges other brands or the machine industry as a whole. I mean I like listening to Winston and think we need more Winston's who have experience over a range of equipment suppliers and history and tech knowledge, but I do like Roberts videos. Remember he wouldn't make sales without some good bits and the bits he does good he does very good, just overshadowed by the 90% Robert which is dangerous. Would I recommend somebody buy off him, I would recommend they do a deal where they pay the MFG directly and the MFG could refund him his cut on install, I certainly wouldn't give him my hard earned profits at this point in time.

I think that Robert gets followers because of the blind loyalists. I mean MnR is the number one supplier for a reason. But the reason to love the company is built on service and good machines, but some people just diss every attribute of other brands no matter what, and that is the turnoff on some forums for some people. I like open minded evaluations and I think that is what attracts people to him, albeit dangerously. Look at how some people attacked Eetherman for asking straight questions and out comes JMD and Gilligan and bags him. You could just answer the questions or ignore, but when you attack someone asking about other brands it just pushes people to Roberts and he sucks them up like a sponge and starts putting all the BS and getting inside their head with the conspiricacy stories etc. I think people get pushed to him more than get attracted to him in the first place in some instances. I know someone in Aussie who never posts on here but had an impression like that just reading. That's dangerous also.

jmd · April 6th, 2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

No, missing the point. Sorry was tired and maybe I could have written it better. I mean I like the informative parts, and someone who looks and or acknowledges other brands or the machine industry as a whole. I mean I like listening to Winston and think we need more Winston's who have experience over a range of equipment suppliers and history and tech knowledge, but I do like Roberts videos. Remember he wouldn't make sales without some good bits and the bits he does good he does very good, just overshadowed by the 90% Robert which is dangerous. Would I recommend somebody buy off him, I would recommend they do a deal where they pay the MFG directly and the MFG could refund him his cut on install, I certainly wouldn't give him my hard earned profits at this point in time.

I think that Robert gets followers because of the blind loyalists. I mean MnR is the number one supplier for a reason. But the reason to love the company is built on service and good machines, but some people just diss every attribute of other brands no matter what, and that is the turnoff on some forums for some people. I like open minded evaluations and I think that is what attracts people to him, albeit dangerously. Look at how some people attacked Eetherman for asking straight questions and out comes JMD and Gilligan and bags him. You could just answer the questions or ignore, but when you attack someone asking about other brands it just pushes people to Roberts and he sucks them up like a sponge and starts putting all the BS and getting inside their head with the conspiricacy stories etc. I think people get pushed to him more than get attracted to him in the first place in some instances. I know someone in Aussie who never posts on here but had an impression like that just reading. That's dangerous also.

I dont totally disagree with everthing you are saying, however I would like you to point out where I "bagged" Eetherman. I went back and looked at a couple posts but I'm not seeing it. Also, Barney putting out videos... they are not to help anyone but himself. Do some research on how youtue vids and google ranks work. There are members here that I have alot of respect for that have stated Barney doesnt know what he is doing or how to properly fix a machine.