Anatol?

eetherman · April 5th, 2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

Well, you got one thing wrong eee... You weren't swarmed by M&R cronnies... in fact everyone pretty much started their own conversation and pretty much dropped/ignored your topic.

As soon as we all realized that you were just being coached by Robert we all pretty much walked away from the idea of saving you from yourself.

Gilligan, you are another brilliant one. Never have anything informative and always one to criticize. I have honestly spoke with your buddy Barnes 2 times since ive started these threads. So think what you will.
Thanks and take your own advice and just ignore the rest of what I post.
Thanks

GraphicDisorder · April 5th, 2012, 06:30 PM

2 times too many.

eetherman · April 5th, 2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GraphicDisorder

2 times too many.

Ok, just to get this clear. Did you not talk with Barnes before you bought your machine?

screenmachines · April 5th, 2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

WOW, really? Do you know me have you ever even met me? Have you seen my business, do you know anything about anything. So now I'm going to fail because I'm considering something different other than the norm. BRILLIANT!!! you have got to be one of the dumbest F**KING people I have come across in awhile. Do me a favor and put me on your list, come give me a visit. I would like to see you in person maybe meet sometime. Then lets see your mouth run, and as for 244 apparently NEW business isn't important. I have never spoken one bad thing about M&R and I own M&R equipment as a matter of fact. Now apparently I have done or said something to offend Mr. Rich Hoffman. Was I really considering an M&R? As a matter of fact yes. Will I consider M&R now, probably not.

The point was you keep posting questions about machines, then people take time to give you their opinions and you shake it off. You seem to have your mind made up before people even give advise. You ask they answer, then you question every answer you get. Your like a puppet.... Who is pulling the strings?

eetherman · April 5th, 2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by screenmachines

The point was you keep posting questions about machines, then people take time to give you their opinions and you shake it off. You seem to have your mind made up before people even give advise. You ask they answer, then you question every answer you get. Your like a puppet.... Who is pulling the strings?

OK, go back through all of the responses posted. All the good advice and answers show no response. That is because non is needed. I take what is written and use it in my decision. Take Alan for example he has made many valid points that have helped me along the way. Now you on the other hand tell me I believe to check out the Diamonback. I say im not interested not because its an M&R but because its not available in a 10 color 12 station. Then your hate post start. Am I missing something here?

californiadreamin · April 5th, 2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

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I've actually listened to allot But only the stuff that will benefit me and my business. Not the BS put out by others, I may feed into and have some fun but my intentions were to get peoples feed back on potential options. Guess I'm wrong for that. Maybe I should just do what everyone else is doing and not consider anything else. If I needed to know if I could afford a machine or if I actually thought for one minute that maybe I didn't need a 2nd one. Don't you think I would have started a thread about that. Unfortunately people on here judge before they know the real situation. Unfortunately I cannot do anything about that, so keep on judging. Soon I will have a new machine and wont need any more from the people here.

My responses have been only meant to help you! You ask questions that
that can only give general responses. You say you have a Javlin and you run a sucessfull business. Why wouldn't you contact Manufacturers directly or
suppliers that you use and trust, instead of a public forum with bias on
whatever brand by people that you don't know and trust! Most small printers
have formed some type of relationship with other printers,suppliers,vendors
etc. Your question on the durability of the servo by someone who is running
pneumatic Javlin doesn't jive. Most printers who have servo systems, do
not know longetivity issues with their servo. The servo is the least of your
worries on a machine! Why not the printhead falling off! An automatic press
is a capital purchase. Show your business experience by contacting manufacturers,suppliers,trade shows etc.

jmd · April 5th, 2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

OK, go back through all of the responses posted. All the good advice and answers show no response. That is because non is needed. I take what is written and use it in my decision. Take Alan for example he has made many valid points that have helped me along the way. Now you on the other hand tell me I believe to check out the Diamonback. I say im not interested not because its an M&R but because its not available in a 10 color 12 station. Then your hate post start. Am I missing something here?

EEE, you have to excuse alot of us here, when Barney is in the house it is very uncomfortable... what lies is he going to tell, what alias is he going to use, when is he going to talk to himself...many of us get a little crazy because we are tired of him doing harm to people, their business's and our industry. I would encourage you, (and I think others would agree) to do alot of research, visit the mfgs you are interested in, if you cant, then find out from them where there might be one of their presses installed close to you and try and visit them and pic their brain. I also believe we are saying, what ever you buy, new or used you are putting your business at risk if Robert is involved with your transaction or sevice in any way. Good luck.

eetherman · April 5th, 2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by californiadreamin

My responses have been only meant to help you! You ask questions that
that can only give general responses. You say you have a Javlin and you run a sucessfull business. Why wouldn't you contact Manufacturers directly or
suppliers that you use and trust, instead of a public forum with bias on
whatever brand by people that you don't know and trust! Most small printers
have formed some type of relationship with other printers,suppliers,vendors
etc. Your question on the durability of the servo by someone who is running
pneumatic Javlin doesn't jive. Most printers who have servo systems, do
not know longetivity issues with their servo. The servo is the least of your
worries on a machine! Why not the printhead falling off! An automatic press
is a capital purchase. Show your business experience by contacting manufacturers,suppliers,trade shows etc.

Well lets put it this way, I know the Progressive line, I own a Javelin and have serviced them for about 7 years now . There is one supplier that I know and trust. He sells Tuff and Progressive, one other supplier sells the Anatol line, that is why this thread came up. A possible opportunity to score an Anatol after it goes into his shop for a demo. This is just a possibility. Now as far as trade shows what will that show me? I used to run a Javelin at some shows for Bergmann group. You stand there and ask a few questions and guess what, they tell you what you want to hear. I need feed back from real users.

The servo as far as im concerned is the heart of the machine, you can live without a head or 2. If the head goes bump it over to the next and keep running. Servo goes dead in the water. Now the step back program was only appealing to me because we run tons of 24 to 48 piece runs. That is why our Javelin is perfect. 1 rotation 1 white screen=simple. Now if your replacing the screw, motor and other components every few years than you have a problem. That is why I asked the question I asked.

californiadreamin · April 5th, 2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

Well lets put it this way, I know the Progressive line, I own a Javelin and have serviced them for about 7 years now . There is one supplier that I know and trust. He sells Tuff and Progressive, one other supplier sells the Anatol line, that is why this thread came up. A possible opportunity to score an Anatol after it goes into his shop for a demo. This is just a possibility. Now as far as trade shows what will that show me? I used to run a Javelin at some shows for Bergmann group. You stand there and ask a few questions and guess what, they tell you what you want to hear. I need feed back from real users.

The servo as far as im concerned is the heart of the machine, you can live without a head or 2. If the head goes bump it over to the next and keep running. Servo goes dead in the water. Now the step back program was only appealing to me because we run tons of 24 to 48 piece runs. That is why our Javelin is perfect. 1 rotation 1 white screen=simple. Now if your replacing the screw, motor and other components every few years than you have a problem. That is why I asked the question I asked.

hello eetherman!
If you have that much time with a Javlin, why not get another Javlin!
No need to reinvent the wheel!
Trade Shows! I've been going 30 years and I always learn something.
but I realize that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed! I just happen to
see and meet some really bright people! Thats all...
I have even run a machine or two myself!
Asking Questions? I do! But they usually say sir, thats way over my head
I have know idea what your talking about...They most of the time run away!
I thought thought the PLC is the heart,the program the brain, I guess the printhead is the arm ETC....
Have you seen a fair amount of machines blow screws and motors?
Every few years? They must run 24/7/365! OK!
An Anatol will do fine also! It is good to go with someone you know and trust!
winston

Printwizard · April 5th, 2012, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 244

Not what I meant at all. There are lots of manufacturers that make plenty of good machines and the choice is up to you. All was referenced as to who you were thinking of buying from. Good luck with your choice regardless of who it is!!!

RICH, thanks for acknowledging the other MFGs. There are also plenty who don't make good machines, and we are all aware that buying a machine and installing is one thing, the next twenty years of production, resale, reinstall and production lifespan are also extremely critical in operational productivity cost and benefit. My question to you is who do you rate as the credible manufacturing competition around the globe who are in the top tier of automatic manufacturers that commercial shops could evaluate. Happy for you to leave any off that you don't think are not making good machines or risky to do business with. As a print shop we can all rate the shops in our own markets as competitors not just according to volume, but also quality and price and technical ability and it would be interesting to see who you rate around the world?

Thanks, Mike.