Anatol?

jmd

I would agree, stick with the Jav if you like it.
http://www.tufproducts.com/javelin.htm

Printwizard

Winston, love your simplicity. I sometimes get too focused off track on smaller things and ignore the bigger things, but that's because I don't have the experience also. I believe forums are good in trying to hear experience and real-world history or knowledge instead of sales pitch. Don't get me wrong I still think talk to the MFGs or their agents, but evaluate a mix. I've been following Eethermans questions and answers and in all honesty many of them are questions I have asked previously too, I don't think they are passed on from Bob, I think they are fair questions to ask. Every now and then comes an answer that I think, wow, never thought about that, and how or why something does or doesn't work for someone given that all shops have different requirements and variables. Like the step back program, how much quicker is that than just going around twice. And what risk of ink drying in the mesh if it heats up too much doing print-flash-step.back-print. I don't understand the advantage of that, but I sure want to hear feedback and learn or understand anyway....
Likewise I also ask silly questions, get a completely logical answer that I just didn't guess and think DUH! Some can be very enlightening. Others I still don't understand and think "but why" or still don't get it.

eetherman

I'm in search of something more consistent if you will. Ive honestly been printing on Javelins for around 10 years now. Pneumatic is nice and durable, but I'm looking for speed I guess. Now as far as the servo I have seen failures on many occasions, but this was from typical wear and tear. Usually on machine well over 500-700 thousand imp. My concern was with the servo on the Anatols with the step back option. Having a consistent forward and reverse load on on it which the step back would have to have. You are also correct with the PLC or computer but mechanical failure is far more common than say the brains, again i'm making an assumption, I could be completely wrong.

eetherman

The whole going around twice to this day blows my mind. I've worked in multiple shops and honestly on small runs where a highlight is just another screen to setup. The Javelin is much faster. Longer runs waiting for the fback can be nauseating but when you buy say a 6 color you can always print 6 colors no cooling stations. I talk to Phil Ritz pretty regularly, I constantly nag him for not convincing the higher ups to either make a flashback for the Progressives or put chopper style squeegees on the Jav. Add a servo to the Jav and I wouldn't be here asking questions.

californiadreamin

eetherman!
I understand! Look at Progressive also if you are comfortable with them!
500-700 thousand imp is Nothing on a screw or swing servo! Thats breakin in
time! If you have seen that on a regular basis, than something is real wrong!
Only, if you are running 14c and up with large heavy pallets, to fast, then
you can have issues, but that is rare,unless you have a defect! Progressive
14c,16c have more issues than they should. I have replaced more than a few
Forget the 20c! Period. Anatols, actually have nice screws as well! Other
brands do as well but, we are talking about these two! If you go used my
favorite is the M&R Gauntlet 12 color and under machines! For the money
I wouldnt buy any new over that model. Air heads,ac heads it don't matter!
but to each his own.
Good Luck,
winston

eetherman

That explains allot as far as failure goes, only servo machines I've worked on were Falcons over 14 colors.
Thanks, this is what I've been waiting for.

Printwizard

Hi Eetherman, I've never seen the stepback running, but I see you looking at a ten colour. Take a run of thirty tees of white/cure/white and doing this with one screen. If you loaded printed, went around again printed and then unload and load again I can't see how this would be any slower than the machine flashing and stepping back then going forward. 30 times it goes forward flashing, stepping back, printing then going forward again. I would think flashing then going around would take the same time as stepping back with the advantage of you getting to cool down the shirt and not risk ink drying in the screen. Also getting too much heat on some synthetic materials. Sorry, but I just don't see the point in this feature no matter what size or format, or however many stations. All servos seem to be built differently and I would rely on Anatol to have built theirs so it could index both ways reliably. I quite like how the RPM / Mustang made theirs. Some machines drop the table then index then raise the table. the Mustang / RPM has a pin that locks into a hole and the machine indexes on the way down etc so it's able to go in a rounded U motion rather than a square motion. It was explained to me that this is a little faster and a little smoother. I'm no engineer, but I judge machines a little by how they sound and feel. If you can hear and feel shock with your hands on the machine and vibration or impact coming through the steel then it will likely wear faster, at would be a great advantage of Tradeshows where you can see, feel and hear all machines in one spot at one time and have them all explain their servos, how they work, service requirements etc.

californiadreamin

Hey Printwizard!
I like tons of questions as well. I dunno if questions were passed or not,
but the poster made statements which were vague, and leading sometimes.
I am not a fan of step back ,or revolving programs. It does give you options
in a VERY Limited Way, but I have never seen any printer, make any "decent"
monies with ANY of those type of programs. If the job was small I would print
manually, If it was large, BINGO sub it out! Focus on what makes money!
I would focus on Great screens,properly modified ink,correct size squeeges,
Level rubber blades,etc Run,Run,Run
winston

screenmachines

Your missing something alright. I have posted no hate for you. I just don't get you're puppet like antics. You understand, you ask the same questions, you react the same way, you defend your everymove as the others. Therefore you are grouped with them. I don't care if you buy M&R or any other brand. When you ask for advise, don't question everything. You then later say you know this and you know that, PRESTON thought he knew it all too....

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californiadreamin

OK ! I see your fear!
No Wonder!