Sporty-Tex Should we give it a go?

squeegee · March 27th, 2012, 09:48 PM

Just out of curiosity, what are you flashing with on that Javelin?

Gilligan · March 27th, 2012, 09:51 PM

What Winston said above makes more sense than any other post on this thread.

If you don't want to go with a "BROKER" than great... but guess what you are doing man. Think about it.

Think about this... I'm TOTALLY with you about how much you spend to get a "brand new" machine vs a used machine (and I know it's hard to find the right fit used). I get it VERY much.

BUT, here is the trick... when you end up in a position like Jeff.. what would you be willing to pay to get out of that position? When your back is against the wall because that "beta" machine isn't working and you can't get the "broker" that sold it to you to do squat about it and you have orders piling up that you are having to give to other printers and your employees are upset because the work in the shop has dried up... THEN how much would you pay to be out of that situation?

China makes some good products sure... but, ever been to Harbor Freight? They have some good stuff there too... amongst a LOT of crap!

BTW, for the record it does seem like you have your mind made up. You certainly haven't appreciated some of the people that are just trying to help you from making a potential mistake. Make a list of the pros and cons... how many things could go wrong vs what you are getting out of it. I have no doubt that you POSSIBLY will save some money... but that is the ONLY plus to this deal. Everything else is a HUGE potential negative!

Look at it another way, would you make an investment into a stock that showed these signs? Cheap, but shady with unsure reputation and outcome. Would you buy stock in a company that Robert started? That is essentially what you are doing. He just hasn't shown me or anyone else on this forum that he is really a guy to trust... even those that haven't had problems (yet) don't expect much from this guy... they have ALWAYS had a plan B if he drops the ball. I find that a sad situation where you have to plan for such a thing.

If I bought a Anatol today and they closed shop tomorrow... I'd be upset... but I really couldn't fault anyone. If I bought a chinese press from Barnes today and he pulled the same crap that he did on everyone else then I'd be upset and have no one to blame but myself.

eetherman · March 27th, 2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by squeegee

Just out of curiosity, what are you flashing with on that Javelin?

I have 2 flashbacks, If allowed sometimes we put in a stationary flash. Thinking about buying one of the new in head units for it, they are pretty sweet.

Prosperi-Tees · March 27th, 2012, 10:00 PM

Get the press for free, keep the jav setup just in case. That's what I would do.

SaveAHorse,RideABarnes · March 27th, 2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

Wow, seems to me, you know me better than I know myself.

Wow, seems to me that you came here to start a thread with a question, got 9 pages worth of "input" (not to mention a possible solution to your problem by Jeff offering you a 10 color, which you haven't publicly acknowledged interestingly) and didn't like any of the responses so now you're salty about it...

Like...how else can we help you bro? Please let us know, otherwise just go buy your won-ton lunch special and get ta printin'. You wanted to know if a beta machine was a good fit for you regardless of who is selling it. Let's talk about arrogance, ignorance, common sense and thread titles for a second. Perhaps if you didn't want to hear about Barnes, maybe you should've left that out your initial post? Maybe just allude to the fact that you have an opportunity to snag a beta machine but are worried if that's a good fit for your current setup? It's pretty ignorant, in my humble opinion, to come on this forum, ask such a question and then expect Barnes-less responses.

Don't get it twisted though rodeo master, I wish you the best just like everyone else. I just hope your "lawyer" sets you up with a post-trial period termination option in your "contract" so that you aren't forced into terms.

Prosperi-Tees · March 27th, 2012, 10:03 PM

And if it's a flop you got some scrap for the recycle yard.

squeegee · March 27th, 2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

I have 2 flashbacks, If allowed sometimes we put in a stationary flash. Thinking about buying one of the new in head units for it, they are pretty sweet.

Well I was wondering if you might be using a FB, mainly because they are slow, with or without a screen in the head. A full coverage quartz or IR flash would speed you up for sure.

screenmachines · March 27th, 2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

I have found 3 decent machines in the past 3 months 1 rpm 1 progressive and 1 M&R all of which are around $40. I will not buy a machine from a broker will not buy a machine i cannot see run. I simply asked a few questions and got some useful info and am definately not interested in a dback.

Oh so now you you have standards... You had your mind made up before you posted. You just wanted to stir the pot. I can print 1200 shirts a day with a Dback one operator. Thats only 6 hours 8 colors 1 flash. Guess you can do better then that. Please, your already a puppet and you don't even know or maybe you do.
Good Luck with the BS you stirred up. Play with the bees and you will get stung.

eetherman · March 27th, 2012, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilligan

What Winston said above makes more sense than any other post on this thread.

If you don't want to go with a "BROKER" than great... but guess what you are doing man. Think about it.

Think about this... I'm TOTALLY with you about how much you spend to get a "brand new" machine vs a used machine (and I know it's hard to find the right fit used). I get it VERY much.

BUT, here is the trick... when you end up in a position like Jeff.. what would you be willing to pay to get out of that position? When your back is against the wall because that "beta" machine isn't working and you can't get the "broker" that sold it to you to do squat about it and you have orders piling up that you are having to give to other printers and your employees are upset because the work in the shop has dried up... THEN how much would you pay to be out of that situation?

China makes some good products sure... but, ever been to Harbor Freight? They have some good stuff there too... amongst a LOT of crap!

BTW, for the record it does seem like you have your mind made up. You certainly haven't appreciated some of the people that are just trying to help you from making a potential mistake. Make a list of the pros and cons... how many things could go wrong vs what you are getting out of it. I have no doubt that you POSSIBLY will save some money... but that is the ONLY plus to this deal. Everything else is a HUGE potential negative!

Look at it another way, would you make an investment into a stock that showed these signs? Cheap, but shady with unsure reputation and outcome. Would you buy stock in a company that Robert started? That is essentially what you are doing. He just hasn't shown me or anyone else on this forum that he is really a guy to trust... even those that haven't had problems (yet) don't expect much from this guy... they have ALWAYS had a plan B if he drops the ball. I find that a sad situation where you have to plan for such a thing.

If I bought a Anatol today and they closed shop tomorrow... I'd be upset... but I really couldn't fault anyone. If I bought a chinese press from Barnes today and he pulled the same crap that he did on everyone else then I'd be upset and have no one to blame but myself.

I appreciate the response and have played the situation over multiple ways. I honestly think I would have to achieve the Sporty on a almost consignment type of deal. I maybe would pay the shipping and test drive for awhile. Probably not possible but is a thought. I'm not gonna make any crazy decisions that's for sure. I have been trying to read all responses and is really hard to read past all the BS. I try to keep an open mind when it comes to things like this i'm not gonna put one manu in front off the other. Lets face it these things really only print tee shirts.

eetherman · March 27th, 2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by screenmachines

Oh so now you you have standards... You had your mind made up before you posted. You just wanted to stir the pot. I can print 1200 shirts a day with a Dback one operator. Thats only 6 hours 8 colors 1 flash. Guess you can do better then that. Please, your already a puppet and you don't even know or maybe you do.
Good Luck with the BS you stirred up. Play with the bees and you will get stung.

I do have standards just dont' want a dback because i need at least a 10 colors. Im sure they are a great machine just wont work for me.