Sporty-Tex Should we give it a go?

The Bumper · March 27th, 2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPoint

The biggest question the reader here should be asking is, what are the behind the scenes motivations of these posters?

Who is 244 and why does he care so much?
Who is Pwalsh and why does he care so much?
Who is GraphicDisorder and why does he care so much?
Who is PushingInk and why does he care so much?
Who is californiadreamin and why does he care so much?
Who is inkman996 and why does he care so much?
Who is jmd and why does he care so much?

Then, we have all seen the numerous aliases that are here just to bash like "The Bumper" who are these people and what are their behind the scenes motives?

The "Bumper" is a man that is so tired of seeing you rip people off and lie Barnes. No affiliation to any company, just my mission to keep that egg on your face you idiot!

pushing ink · March 27th, 2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPoint

Do you work for the Blue Crew now

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You must admit that your post below has some irony built in

Your still Robert Barnes hehehehehheh!
You still only sold around 20 presses in 2 years heheheheh!
You don't have any money hehehehehehehe!
The case isn't over heheheheheeh
the case isn't over hehehehehehehe
the case isn't over hehehehehehe

pushing ink · March 27th, 2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPoint

squeegee, you make some great points, and the Blue Crew use to say the same thing to the Progressive Falcon buyers for almost a decade

Thousands and Thousands of operators worldwide running Progressive Falcon machine literally every second of every day someone is loading a t-shirt on a Falcon

Why did you get rid of Progressive again?

The Bumper · March 27th, 2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eetherman

So let me start by saying I have spoke with Mr. Barnes. I know there is allot of mixed feelings about the way he does business. I also know that a loss of a sale in such a small community of manufacturers can really get blood boiling. This is why for many years now I have grown to respect the Bergmann group and the way they do and operate their business.
My business in the last 6 months has grown astronomically and we are in the the market for a new machine. Unfortunately new is not an option since I will not settle for anything less than a 10 color. We currently run a 6/8 Tuf Javelin and I absolutely love the machine, perfect for runs between 24 and 200 pieces. It was manufactured in 94 with a 28" stoke, rod-less cylinders and personally built by Phil Ritz himself, a guy that's been around since the beginning. Fortunately runs are larger and we need to speed up the process, so at least a servo index is needed. If by some miracle in the next 3 months a good Progressive machine hits the market, I will buy it, but that is highly unlikely. So I contacted Barnes in regards to the Sporty-Tex BETA machines.
I feel that my operation is perfect for this type of testing, and may offer us the ability to obtain what looks like could be a quality machine for a fair price. I know there is some harsh views on a another foreign manufacturer entering the US market but lets face it we are in the global era. I also am aware of a possibility of the machines being a complete wreck but more so than the Printex I feel that China and its manufacturing will figure out the issues and fix them as needed. Barnes has made it evident that these machines aren't perfect and there will be issues and I completely understand issues will arise as nothing new is perfect.
My question is, set aside the rumors and allegations or if possible remove the Barnes name from the picture. Is bringing a new BETA machine into an already successful growing business a smart move? We can still maintain workflow if the press for some reason stops functioning. Or is it a good idea to sit and wait for that ever so unlikely deal to come?

Any input would be appreciated, accept for the Barnes ripped me off crap.
Read it a 1000 times already.
Thanks

My vote is no based on the fact that you could just start a second shift if your business has grown that much and save for a reputable machine that you can count on and get parts/support for. Then save your money and pay CASH for new equipment.
Unless of course you like being a ginny pig?

Gilligan · March 27th, 2012, 10:59 AM

Exit Jef Saxby

Enter eetherman

Great... this should be fun.

eetherman, I have a couple of issues from a financial standpoint of what you say.

You say that you NEED a new auto press, are churning out 2k+ prints a day! Yet you say that you can't afford another 20k for a new auto? I could be wrong on my math but what is your business model look like? I mean, if you are profiting even .50 cents a shirt and doing 2k+ a day that would be 1k a day. You only need a month to make 20k.

That may seem like obvious math to those not in your shoes that don't understand your financial situation and I'd give you that that is a fair statement... but that brings me to point two.

If your business runs on THAT tight of a budget/profit margin then do you really think you can afford to take the chance on a machine that might fail and leave you out for X days (even if we are talking about a week)? If you can't save 20k extra then you can't afford to be out of production for much time at all! I would say that you owe it to that family to make sure that you put the future of your business in the hands of a good company that can make sure that your business is running those 60 hours a week that you are putting out now. You don't get paid to stress and try and fix a press that isn't working. Again, think about the family.

Third... you came on here and asked US for our opinions... granted, you said don't give you stories about all the people he ripped off (that is honestly quite a funny statement in itself)... but did you ask for Robert to come on here and start trash talking everyone on here that you asked for their opinions? I mean, Brian did exactly what you asked and gave you his opinion and didn't talk about what you asked him not to talk about yet he was in the list of people that Barnes is attacking?? He keeps telling you to ask "why?", well, I agree... ask "Why?" ask why Barnes has to attack anyone that might tell you answers to the questions that you asked? Why is Barnes polluting your thread and driving it in the ground vs letting people air out their concerns... he's the one that has made this thread go into 6 pages of the "usual". Look at the past day when he was banned and gone... it was quiet... no drama. The drama always shows up when he does. Why don't you ask him to stay out of this thread and see how much "ad nausem" is posted. Yes, people will say "hey, he's ripped off others, do you really want to be associated with him?" but will they post 5 times on it or just once?

You asked for opinions and now people are having to defend those opinions... that doesn't seem fair.

Just think about it... I don't think you can afford to make this mistake... you owe it to your family to think about it.

GraphicDisorder · March 27th, 2012, 11:09 AM

I really have to laugh about this. I don't print any where near 2k prints a day. I have a brand new Auto.....I don't even turn my press on some days, and we easily afford it. We are printing today, just 5 jobs. We will profit enough in this 1 day to make the payment on our auto. I got 30 other days a month to make money on it. If you are doing 2k shirts a day, and you can't afford a auto...then you really should look at your spending or what you are charging for printing.

Gilligan · March 27th, 2012, 11:41 AM

Maybe the guy has outstanding medical bills for his kids or something... nothing really makes sense in my mind... but maybe it's something we don't understand.

That was the point of my 2nd point though... if things are THAT tight... then you can't afford to put your livelihood in the hands of someone that has a record such as Barnes's.

inkman996 · March 27th, 2012, 11:43 AM

I think if you are truly churning out that kind of production and need a new auto you would be insane to put all your eggs into one basket, when and I do mean when a problem occurs with the machine you are beta testing can you afford to be backed up for a week or more? I can understand someone like Miami beta testing they have a dozen machines already, it means nothing to them if one or both go down which actually does happen and quite a lot from what I hear, in fact I hear they are collecting dust in the corner. So Eether are you seriously going to jeapordize your growth because you want to be cheap and get a cheap machine on your floor? When it bites you in the arse you will go back to being nothing more than a manual printer.

I am not attacking you either it may seem so I understand you see an opportunity to get a press on your floor for dirt cheap but it makes no sense once so ever for a small non auto or even a small auto shop to do this.

The Bumper · March 27th, 2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

I think if you are truly churning out that kind of production and need a new auto you would be insane to put all your eggs into one basket, when and I do mean when a problem occurs with the machine you are beta testing can you afford to be backed up for a week or more? I can understand someone like Miami beta testing they have a dozen machines already, it means nothing to them if one or both go down which actually does happen and quite a lot from what I hear, in fact I hear they are collecting dust in the corner. So Eether are you seriously going to jeapordize your growth because you want to be cheap and get a cheap machine on your floor? When it bites you in the arse you will go back to being nothing more than a manual printer.

I am not attacking you either it may seem so I understand you see an opportunity to get a press on your floor for dirt cheap but it makes no sense once so ever for a small non auto or even a small auto shop to do this.

Guys,
No doubt this guy is an idiot that's for sure! yes, I called him an idiot! he said he's read all about Barnes 1,000 from the same 5 people yet I bet he hasn't once picked up the phone and called Inkman, Pushining Ink, Leon, Brian, or anyone else. Screw the guy, let him get on barnes' jock. can't save the world! BUT...it will be helpful when he has his negative testimony against Barnes that can be used to inform the masses. Good luck EEE, you need it man.

CounterPoint · March 27th, 2012, 12:15 PM

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