Revolver mode

Promo Print · June 24th, 2011, 07:21 AM

I would like to know what exactly revolver mode that M&R has is?
I am asking because I know that M&R is protective of their patents. There are rumors that M&R wants to sue Printex because they have same (similar??) feature.
Than I found out that Anatol has same (similar?) feature that they call "Step back" program. Than I found out that Brown just introduced their version of software that does same (similar?) thing.
There are also rumors that every MGF has some sort of same (similar?) feature on their presses.
That is why I would like to know what exactly revolver is? Inkman told me once that Revolver is much more than print first station, flash second and back to first station what other manufacturers are having, but he stops short explaining what is that much more?

inkman996 · June 24th, 2011, 07:55 AM

Revolver is nothing more than programming each full revolution. For instance on the first time around you can program it to only print the white underbase then flash, the second time around it prints the under base again flash then what ever top colors. It requires memory in the programming etc.

Step back is really different because it does not involve two or more times around. It simply prints the color indexes to the flash station then reverse indexes back to reprint the color then so on.

Spider-Machines · June 24th, 2011, 08:13 AM

Don't listen to folks that don't know ... Read the patent -then- ask around about what's called "prior art"

http://www.google.com/patents

5595113 -and- 5678482

Printwizard · June 24th, 2011, 08:22 AM

This bugs me, that anyone can patent standard thought process, to patent the process a machine prints when you may manually print the same way, which existed before automatics anyway. It's like saying someone owns the squeegee patent for automatics or the screen clamp patent. All screens are clamped and all screens print with a squeegee, and that was the case before any automatics, likewise people worked out their print sequence and went around and around. Sure there is technology which has true innovation and development and that is worth patenting and every user paying for, but revolver, seriously????? Triloc no, people have used manual grids and pin rego for years especially in graphics printing, no shirt detector no, it's just a proximity sensor. The technology should be revolutionary and new.

Printwizard · June 24th, 2011, 08:28 AM

Oh god rwb, in simple terms, my head hurts trying to take in all that.

Spider-Machines · June 24th, 2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Printwizard

This bugs me, that anyone can patent standard thought process, to patent the process a machine prints when you may manually print the same way, which existed before automatics anyway. It's like saying someone owns the squeegee patent for automatics or the screen clamp patent. All screens are clamped and all screens print with a squeegee, and that was the case before any automatics, likewise people worked out their print sequence and went around and around. Sure there is technology which has true innovation and development and that is worth patenting and every user paying for, but revolver, seriously????? Triloc no, people have used manual grids and pin rego for years especially in graphics printing, no shirt detector no, it's just a proximity sensor. The technology should be revolutionary and new.

This is a fundamental problem when one company has a dominate position in a marketplace ... financially NO ONE can afford to contest the Patent Applications -nor- contest the Patent Issuance <--- and so goes the way of the screen printing machine business :-@

spotcolorsupply · June 24th, 2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Promo Print

I would like to know what exactly revolver mode that M&R has is?
I am asking because I know that M&R is protective of their patents. There are rumors that M&R wants to sue Printex because they have same (similar??) feature.
Than I found out that Anatol has same (similar?) feature that they call "Step back" program. Than I found out that Brown just introduced their version of software that does same (similar?) thing.
There are also rumors that every MGF has some sort of same (similar?) feature on their presses.
That is why I would like to know what exactly revolver is? Inkman told me once that Revolver is much more than print first station, flash second and back to first station what other manufacturers are having, but he stops short explaining what is that much more?

Revolver mode is "programmable" the Anatol step back program and browns batch system are pre set functions. Having the ability to "program" seems to be the patented feature...??

inkman996 · June 24th, 2011, 08:40 AM

Robert no one asked about patents he asked how does these two programs worked and I explained.

Yes Spot I believe it all has to do memory storage etc.

Spider-Machines · June 24th, 2011, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

Robert no one asked about patents he asked how does these two programs worked and I explained.

Yes Spot I believe it all has to do memory storage etc.

you have received admonition -but- deserve monition

Promo Print · June 24th, 2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by inkman996

Revolver is nothing more than programming each full revolution. For instance on the first time around you can program it to only print the white underbase then flash, the second time around it prints the under base again flash then what ever top colors. It requires memory in the programming etc.

Step back is really different because it does not involve two or more times around. It simply prints the color indexes to the flash station then reverse indexes back to reprint the color then so on.

Inkman, so if I understand well, in revolver it goes around? It does not go back for P/F/P like Anatol's step back?