Robert Barnes from Spider Machines - Modern Technology -vs- Old Conventional Designs

Gilligan · September 8th, 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreenShip

Fastet setups for sure ... 1/4 mile race for pinks (not the Mustang -or- MHM market) sorry

I'm confused Barnie... The Mustang uses the tri-lock, does it not?

So how is it faster in setups than the machine that the tri-lock was built for?

Besides, you shouldn't toss yourself in with MHM for fastest setups... They are literally 15 years a head of the game from where you are TODAY... in 15 more years who knows how far behind you will be!

Place film (or DTS), burn screen, place screen, print! It CAN'T get any simpler or faster than that!

Even if you develop a knock off MHM FPU, you are still going to be using a tri-lock method of putting it on the press. MORE steps than MHM by FAR!

ScreenShip · September 9th, 2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilligan

I'm confused Barnie... The Mustang uses the tri-lock, does it not?

So how is it faster in setups than the machine that the tri-lock was built for?

Besides, you shouldn't toss yourself in with MHM for fastest setups... They are literally 15 years a head of the game from where you are TODAY... in 15 more years who knows how far behind you will be!

MHM Promotional Video from 1998 (Part 2) Not HD - YouTube

Place film (or DTS), burn screen, place screen, print! It CAN'T get any simpler or faster than that!

Even if you develop a knock off MHM FPU, you are still going to be using a tri-lock method of putting it on the press. MORE steps than MHM by FAR!

Both the MHM and the Mustang will setup faster than the C3 that's for sure ... so you are right there ... but the MHM X, S, and E definitely have a disadvantage when it comes to zero'ing out the micros after tweaks ... so ... Mustang will outshine them both over the long run ... I know its painful for you guys to see RWB in front of such an awesome machine like the Mustang -but- the videos coming out real soon are going to make your head exolode LOL

ScreenShip · September 9th, 2012, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by screenprintguy

You just can't knock the C3. In fact I saw where quite a few of the Giant shops that were running Formulas for years are now swapping out for C3's. Now, if they had any reserves, you would think they would look in a different direction, but they aren't they are moving to the C3. Serious machine. One Big shop by me, SS designs, they do Disney, "legit" not knock of Disney, and quite a few other huge brands are using C3's now and loving them.

Let me be clear though, I'm not knocking that Mustang at 360 graphics, it looks like a really nice piece of gear. Just saying, the C3 is the real deal!!! My friend Pat in Orlando love's their machine. In fact I remember someone bashing the crap out of him a year and a half back. Well I'm happy to report, that C3 has actually made them able to pick up a lot more clientele and opened a whole new market to the point that they are planning to relocate to a larger space and possibly add another one. Now, it seems to me they did just fine. Had they gone with a Playtex, they might be out of business trying to keep up with spraying static free crap in their control panel to keep it running =). Looks the the Challenger 3 may have been a big investment, that has paid off big time for a small shop that in 1 year of owning it, went from 3 people to 7 and needing more room for growth. Why promote another shop you ask? Well, they are our friends and have been a big help to us, and bottom line, you reap what you sow, I choose to sow good. Hey here is another cool vid =) Happy Saturday to ya, we are printing our butt's off today, looks like good reaping to me =) Try sowing good some time.

Real Thread - YouTube

I think you are right about reaping what you sow ... I am glad to have invested in Mariusz and Wes back in 2003 ... the Mustang will be reaping havoc for M&R out in the marketplace ... it will definitely be fun to watch them go crazy every time another shop choses Mustang over M&R

Gilligan · September 9th, 2012, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreenShip

Both the MHM and the Mustang will setup faster than the C3 that's for sure ... so you are right there ... but the MHM X, S, and E definitely have a disadvantage when it comes to zero'ing out the micros after tweaks ... so ... Mustang will outshine them both over the long run ... I know its painful for you guys to see RWB in front of such an awesome machine like the Mustang -but- the videos coming out real soon are going to make your head exolode LOL

Why did you leave out the Syncro? Because you know that it has been having technology that blows your stuff away since 1998?!

Why do you pick and choose what seems to fit what you want.

You also failed to talk about how those systems will setup WAY faster than yours. Yes, IF you put out the FPU you are talking about then it will be slightly faster than the tri-lock. But MHM will be even more faster than your system. So what is your point. Even once you beat the tri-lock you will still be a good bit slower on setups than MHM and those presses run about the same money. They are also proven technology and I'm not talking about the RPM, I'm talking about the bells and whistles you like to add, like you did the Printex machines that all ended up broken down while the tried and true Printex stuff in Europe is still kicking. So much so that they have one of the "Barnes Printex's" that they can't get rid of (even in the European market) packed up and ready to go. Probably because they know all the problems it will have and don't want to have to support the problems that you introduced trying to "improve it" to "beat M&R".

You are so obsessed with being better than M&R and you forgot that MHM was better than you 15 years ago and of course still is. You are still 15 years behind the curve man. Get with it!

Gilligan · September 9th, 2012, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreenShip

I think you are right about reaping what you sow ... I am glad to have invested in Mariusz and Wes back in 2003 ... the Mustang will be reaping havoc for M&R out in the marketplace ... it will definitely be fun to watch them go crazy every time another shop choses Mustang over M&R

Why are you so obsessed with M&R? If you say they are so bad and laden with "old technology" then why do you have your sights set on them? I mean, there are other companies out there with better technology. If you are going to sell yourself based on having "better" technology then actually do it. Make it better. Put your product against the TRULY better technology that is out there!

But since you are SOOO obsessed with M&R, explain why the 2m machine had never taken much of M&R's market share? Especially when it had a REAL man behind the wheel? If the "machine" is so much better then why is that?

You won't be beating them on price point, because your machine will be WAY more expensive than a standard M&R machine (which people will buy OVER AND OVER because of the service and support that they KNOW they will get with M&R)... that isn't even in the face of the fact that YOU will be the service and support for the Mustang... now they will RUN anywhere else! Your machine will be priced as high as an MHM... at that point why not just buy an MHM... even THEY have better service than YOU.

I don't understand why you keep talking like you will keep giving this "I'm Robert Barnes and I've screwed over so many people I have to sell this press at almost cost" discount. You know there will be a price increase... what was the time frame almost a year ago? 2 years right? Then we will see the REAL prices? Or like everything you deal with will the price increase be delivered late as well?

Gilligan · September 9th, 2012, 10:36 AM

Speaking of advanced technology.

If this is what they were doing 15 years go... can you only imagine what they have in store for tomorrow?!

ScreenShip · September 9th, 2012, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Yes, IF you put out the FPU you are talking about then it will be slightly faster than the tri-lock.

Gilligan ... I think you are starting to get it LOL

ScreenShip · September 9th, 2012, 10:38 AM

Gilligan · September 9th, 2012, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreenShip

Gilligan ... I think you are starting to get it LOL

No, I got it a LONG time ago... you have set your goals to beat what you CONSTANTLY refer to as the most technologically backwards company on there. Wow... SUPER high target to aim for.

And even when you beat them, you will only be SLIGHTLY faster in setups? Woo hoo! Celebrate man! You have made such a victory... beating the ones that you claim are the worse. That's the great thing about striving for mediocrity not really that hard to hit is it? Granted it did take you like 15 years.

In which time MHM has been cranking out technology beyond your wildest dreams.

You talk about wanting to advance screen printing technology but you seemed to have COMPLETELY taken your eye off the ball and got too busy paying WAY too much attention to the company you say is last in technology. You should have been looking at MHM and trying to keep up with someone that is WAY beyond your capabilities.

Truly sad to see you focused on what YOU claim is the one of the most technology backwards company... not sure I want someone that only strives to beat the bottom rung (according to you).

15 years ago these guys made this video, this was before you even started using Pepsi cans to shim up machines... these guys don't even NEED to shim their machines!

ScreenShip · September 9th, 2012, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilligan

15 years ago these guys made this video, this was before you even started using Pepsi cans to shim up machines... these guys don't even NEED to shim their machines!

MHM Promotional Video from 1998 (Part 2) Not HD - YouTube

The funny thing is ... I got the whole Pepsi can thing from the MHM installers at a trade show when I was in my 20's LOL

Been to the MHM plant on tour twice -and- Herbert Mayrhofer (the founder of MHM) has been a dear friend of mine for many years -and- it saddens me to see him no longer able to push the technology of MHM forward :-(

I wish the Italian group the very best with their investment in MHM (Machines by Herbert Mayrhofer) -but- I've never met anyone that had the type of passion that Herbert has