Not to ruffle feathers, BUT M&R vs. MHM

screenprintguy

Well, I'm not so little, hahaha, but our company is only 6 years old and growing, yes as shops go, we are a smaller shop, you know that, you've been here, but it's nice to know when you are treated just as if you are one of the big shops. All big shops started out somewhere, it's nice to have bridges built for the future, Just saying =)

Renagade

You are now officially a Blue Baller carry your sack with pride LOL

Just wanted to post this video of the Mustang being machined, glad to see M&R following Mustang's lead

inkman996

That was an impressive video, that right there shows exactly why M&R has a higher price tag. I guess Rich does not have to worry about that illusive stacking effect that RWB always talks about happening at that Printex closet in Poland lol.

Renagade

Did you see the Mustang machining video, the 2M machining table is much bigger.

Yes, ours is bigger than theirs

Gilligan

They must have bought BOTH of theirs (yeah, that's 2 of them) used I guess... because they look older than the 2m's. But I'm sure you aren't misleading and I'm sure the 2m was doing it first!

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screenprintguy

The "blueballer" term needs to be put to rest. The way I see it, you are the only person perpetuating the term and the last two press's that you have been selling are both painted BLUE. So with that, calling someone a blue baller doesn't make sense anymore , wink wink =). To be fare, then Anatol guys would be Redballers, Pintex guys would be Blueballers, MHM guys would be Blueballers, RPM guys would be Tanballers, Tas guys would be Tanballers, Marcodi guys would be Redballers, and hey now we got the Mustang guy who is now a Blueballer. Even the Chinese knockoffs are blue, they couldn't paint it another color, come on =). I'd love to have a bright/lemon yellow press with chrome and black, now that would be freekin cool. At least workhorse went a little original and did the Greenmachine =). Hey I'm sure the mustang is great, it looks great, and from Alan's reports his 2M press, same thing different color, is a great press, just like a lot of other ones out there. It all boils down, for me, on reliability of service if and when it's needed.
Oh yeah the Javlin guys, make fun all you want, there are a lot of them out there making a ton of money with their machines, they are Blackballers =)

Renagade

I am thinking the BlueBaller term is more about the hype behind the M&R and then when you are finally to get this anticipated piece <of equipment that is> you are disappointed in its performance and you are left with BlueBalls because it just prints shirts nothing exciting about it, just a shirt printer, blah.

Where companies like Marcodie, MHM, 2M and it's Mustang have something new and exciting to use and experience, the M&R designs or just old and outdated <sorry> but it is kind of sad that a company has been around as long as M&R and in just under a decade 2M has developed a machine that M&R can compete against. It really is sad

screenprintguy

I don't know about all of that, but in the end, we are printing t-shirts, that's what the end result is all about. I mean, you find me a press that can print a shirt, bake a pizza, and smoke a pork loin all while trading stocks, and balancing the national budget, now I'll pass out, but aren't all presses really just for printing t-shirts, jackets, ect? I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I went to my buddies shop in Orlando last month, saw his Challenger 3 up close and personal while they were setting up, breaking down multiple jobs, there is nothing out dated about that machine. This is a shop that isn't having to run a dozen machines while only charging $.35 cents a shirt to print up to 12 colors either. They are knocking out highend work. It's a serious machine. I've also been at a shop that runs a 16 color MHM Syncro4000, another serious machine. Lot's of features at the heads, but with all that, the press operator never leaves the control panel, so features aside, the main thing about that machine that always has it's turn on, is it's lifting heads. Havn't seen the 2m upclose, but I trust Alan and he loves the performance of it. All and all, we know it's your personal agenda to knock M&R and that's cool, that's your choice. If their machines were so bad, they wouldn't be still rocking them out, what is it, 6 machines a day at the Illinois factory. It's hard to knock that. Time always tells. Like I said, I'm sure the mustang is a great machine though, like the RPM, but painted blue, it looks very well engineered. not to sure about the control panel, but maybe more stable that a touchscreen for the dirty work environment and all, not sure how it can handle oversized or jumbo/all over printing though, but then again not everyone is doing that format. The only time my balls were left blue from my press was when someone came here, spent the day with me, made adjustments to it only for me to find out later on after he was gone that a couple of the heads were not tightened back down the way there before and we had to go back through and straighten everything back out. No biggy though. We got it and our balls are back to normal. =)

Renagade

You are right, M&R has a few good products, although Mustang is way better

no one important

Mr Barnes...M & R purchased their first CNC machine somewhere around 95'...give or take a couple of years. So that means they were about 12-15 years ahead of 2M machining their presses....so I guess that means that 2M is following M & R's lead...too funny!